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hello

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what's up everybody thanks for

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uh coming and hanging out today for the

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experiencer panel

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um turns out it's just gonna be myself

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and the

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bird so

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everybody else kind of ditched out on me

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so i'm going to be talking to the

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peacock up there

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or the parrot and

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you know hopefully it has something to

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add to the discussion sometimes it's

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kind of quiet

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but oh priscilla is here busted

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busted

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but no i appreciate you guys coming um

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we're gonna have a good thoughtful

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discussion

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on you know hopefully a lot of different

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stuff um but we'll see i i'd like to

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you know keep things kind of stream of

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consciousness based as far as the

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conversation so you know wherever

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somebody's feeling they want it to go

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i'm more than willing to let it go there

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um

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but you know you can read in the notes

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basically uh the notes of the show

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basically what i was thinking at least

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when i made this

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event so i'm super grateful that

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everybody um

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you know who's joining us can join us

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christopher walford unfortunately

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couldn't make it uh something pretty

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pressing came up so he couldn't join

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um but everybody else is here so

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we will have a great time and i will be

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back after one of my fancy intros

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cool so yeah i like that one that's one

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of my favorites i would have to say

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um so at this point i will start

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introducing the

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superstar team here

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uh that we got together for this event

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i'll do it one at a time um first person

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he has become one of uh he's become a

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good friend to me i consider him

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it's like sometimes when i'm doing this

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because of

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the amazing people i've been meeting and

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how it's helped me through you know my

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own experience and my journey and all

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this so um and that person is the parrot

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well i i'm i'm very flattered it's great

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to be back with you sean and

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i feel very similarly about you

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and man i just need i didn't i just need

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to bring i need to bring you wherever i

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go i think at this point you know like

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with killer intros like that like oh my

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gosh i feel like

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if i could just pay you to like walk 10

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steps ahead of me that would be amazing

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but i don't think that that can happen i

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just prefer to be friends with you maybe

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we could hold hands you know walk around

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the park it'll be great

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rice is right

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you know maybe we'll talk

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next person i want to introduce um

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is i consider another friend um

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this community she's just kind of always

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there for me if i needed something

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reaching out to her i'm a big researcher

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i love doing my own research via

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documents and everything and she's very

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very good at it

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i really appreciate that because when i

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do it at some points i've been kind of

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lost what is this legit is it not what

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is it um you know and

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it's really great having a rock like

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that in the community should be

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grateful for that so

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um with that being said i am going to

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introduce her

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good to see you uh hope you're doing

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well thank you so much for joining us

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thank you um

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just wanted to do a quick check

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everybody hearing things okay

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yeah everything sounding okay all right

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gotcha

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um excellent so the next person i want

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to bring in um

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great person um

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i i met her not too long ago and again

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it was just a you know random occurrence

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of talking to the right people your

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heart kind of guides you to

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and and she's someone i came to and

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she's been helpful to me in many

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different ways her support and

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positivity has always been great she's

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helped me dissect some of my crazy

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um and she's very smart intelligent and

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she has a lot to offer so it's my

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pleasure bringing her on a board to

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participate in this and with that being

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said i'll bring around priscilla quantum

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hello everyone how are you

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good and you got a new microphone i did

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it was supposed to be like a christmas

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present i guess but i opened

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so well merry christmas

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well he knows it works now right

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um last person i am bringing on

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i can't unfortunately say anything nice

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about him because i've never met him but

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have a beautiful first name

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um and it's spelled exactly the way i

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spell it

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so right out of the gate synchronicities

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are aligning and so i i'm just going to

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take a risk and say he's a good dude so

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so right doctor how's it going his knees

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are alive good hey everyone

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oh it's so beautiful to see sean though

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oh my gosh all right oh thank you so

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a meeting of the minds no i was talking

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about the other sean it's always great

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to see you

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it's great to see the seans

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there's a

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square to help them right now so it's

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like i'm half paying attention

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yeah i get it and squaring of the john's

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that's what we're getting today

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he's the guy that's what happens

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you guys are opening a crazy time space

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anomaly just by

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jafar your brilliant sean this

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internally i was thinking like superman

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2 i think it was the one where those

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like or those like space russians that

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and they're kind of like going like this

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when they're in the cube

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or the prism you know full disclosure

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i think it's a generational thing sean i

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don't think you're that young i mean i

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it's like that i think i might be the

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so oh thank goodness

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i'm sorry i'm usually like

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the uh grandma's on here so i'm always

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bam he's back

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hey everyone good to be here

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sean and awesome

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and uh hey great to see you

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we still have an audio problem and it's

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that you sound way too beautiful for my

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that's right so sean hasn't met sean

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before so sean sean

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sean sean nice to meet you

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um first i'll i'll just say hi to what's

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up uh hi to everybody in the chat um so

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i really appreciate everybody being here

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and coming here

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um please keep the chat just positive um

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if you're feeling negative or emotional

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or anything just refrain

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that would be fantastic

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yeah so with that being said

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conference or something that he that he

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generally discuss it afterwards um if

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you know somebody's feeling it and has a

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first thought go for it and we'll just

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because they did not know much about

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ufos okay so he gave several lectures to

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them and they took it in and you know

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the ufo literature around this was

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mcabee has been co-opted by the cia he's

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really working for them he's working

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behind the scenes so his contact got

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turned into something else

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there is you know that

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bad things but the the the assumption

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that they not only that they know a lot

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but that they're engaged in some kind of

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systematic

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nefarious activity

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i'm questioning about that i mean

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yes people have been sworn to secrecy

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you know about this because but

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particularly because of the technical

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aspects but there's a lot on you know

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this disclosure thing that happened in

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last year uh a number of very prominent

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experts came forward and

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shutting down silos and tremendous

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amount of evidence how big a ripple did

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it make in the society and but why is

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that is that because of

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specific military suppression i don't

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think so i think it's about world views

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what's both but i think it's the change

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transformative experience individual and

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yeah just uh preface that he was talking

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about uh like somebody who is like the

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top-notch photographer as far as ufos go

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and the cia wanted to talk to him about

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it but the narrative that came out from

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it is that he's co-opted and all that

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kind of stuff um but the main thing was

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at the end uh where he's

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you know literally talking about

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what just happened again with um

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the maelstrom and um

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solace

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doing the conference and everything and

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you know you could relate that to

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other things that have come out whether

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it be the navy videos or or other type

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of uh evidence or you know intelligence

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witnesses

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um and what kind of ripple effect does

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that really have um

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and

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you know is any data enough really but

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you guys can take it from your where you

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want and you know i'll just say

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priscilla why don't you start

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okay well i definitely think that he's

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right um i think that

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once you see other people opening to

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possibilities that we once considered

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extreme it does create some sort of

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ripple effect now i might just be saying

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that because

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of like my knowledge and the my the way

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i believe energy works and thoughts work

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it is very connected so i think that

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once we see these sorts of videos and

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these sorts of people coming forward

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then it's gonna if people are gonna

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start believing more and understanding

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more but i don't think it's ever gonna

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yeah anybody else you can just take it

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well he was oh go ahead linda

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he was referring to the previous solace

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um

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hearings on the

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missile

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incidents and so this kind of shows you

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that we haven't gotten very far

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you know because here we are again

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and so

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we need the momentum to keep going

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but

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we also need to

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through consciousness and awareness

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we need to have a more united front in

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this

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and not get negative about it we need to

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not lose ground this time

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great

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yeah i'll just add in i mean it's always

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nice to see john mack speaking and i was

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really glad to

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hear him highlight world views and the

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role world views plays in this and you

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know this is actually an area i

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spent a lot of time studying i've done

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research around the different major

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world views that are occurring in

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society

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and

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we move through different world views

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and and what you know facilitates that

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and you know each worldview you know

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really sees the world differently that's

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why we call it world view so like what

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exists as evidence in one world view

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does not even show up in another world

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view

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and and i think we often assume everyone

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should have kind of the same world view

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and so why aren't they getting the point

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why aren't they responding to you know

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the different

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witnesses and whistleblowers and

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evidence but when you incorporate kind

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of the landscape of world views and

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recognize there's three to five major

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you know kind of cultural world views

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operative at any one time and even

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within ourselves we can move in and out

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of you know slightly different world

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views because we often have two or three

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that we inhabit ourselves so it's not

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like we have a singular worldview you

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know in one context we we might have a

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more traditional value orientation

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another context and more modern

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scientific

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you know kind of values and orientation

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and another kind of a more post-modern

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you know orientation

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and and so understanding you know and

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danny sheen's done a great job of

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highlighting you know eight different

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world use and he kind of builds it along

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a political spectrum right and and

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that's an interesting frame to do it but

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there's other ways to also understand

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world views but i think this is you know

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why there's so much polarization and so

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many cultural worlds happening now is

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these different world views are not in

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dialogue with each other and they're

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really kind of polarized and positioned

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off and one of the main you know kind of

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practices that supports you know

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connecting integrating information from

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different world views

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is you know what's sometimes referred to

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as perspective taking so taking the

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perspective of these different world

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views

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perspective seeking which is actually

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talking to people who

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embody and express these different

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worldviews and then perspective

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coordinating where after talking with

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different people who have a different

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view on key topics then you try and

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assimilate and coordinate those

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perspectives and insights with your own

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and with others

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and so

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you know i think so much of what's

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needed in the ufo discussion is just

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more perspective seeking right you know

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we need to hear from the experiencers we

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need to hear from the academics we need

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to hear from the scientists and then we

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need to really bring in a lot of voices

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and then we need to try and coordinate

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and find a way you know you know forward

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that includes as much of the insight

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that comes from all those different kind

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i i couldn't top that but jay you can

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try it

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sure

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oh yes and it's it's

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a

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in terms of the timeliness of you

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playing that clip

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uh with the cyclical nature of these

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reveals

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say with salus and hastings i think that

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that was perfectly well timed that that

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was

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probably

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uh gosh was that about 18 years ago 19

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years ago that that that that happened

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and and

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incidentally that clip that actual

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interview that full well not interview

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but that full talk that john mack did

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there that was actually the very first

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test post that we did on the experiencer

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group site

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um like if you if you roll if you scroll

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the infinite feed all the way back to

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the beginning you'll see that interview

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wow

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yeah it's fun

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nice synchronicity yeah yeah yeah um and

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and and why um you know i i've been

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looking at it right then but i i think

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that

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there's

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kind of pulls us back to that moment and

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and there's so much as we talked about

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the last the last time that karen and i

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were on your show sean that where where

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you know in some ways it feels like

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we're recirculating back to a moment

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the

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near when john passed in some ways in

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terms of

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what is where is the public where are we

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acclimating to in a public way and

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unfortunately at that time

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um the the although in a lot of ways

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some of the some portions of our

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community was way ahead of the curve and

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some portions of our community um

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we're kind of like trying to drag

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people

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as best as they could right

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and and it's unfortunate right there

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it's unfortunate in some ways that

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in looking back on that you can choose

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you could choose to be

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frustrated or upset

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with regard to

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how

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the more things change the more they

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stay the same or any of those other kind

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of of truisms that one might have in a

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situation like that

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and

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also at the same time um

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there's the idea of what we can do

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in terms of being thought leaders right

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there's the idea that that

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along with perspective seeking and

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things like that we've also we've also

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heard for many decades

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back to the condon report for example

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and back before that that that for

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example that that we're not that

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the public isn't going to be ready until

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everybody is ready right

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and and in some ways we can think about

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that as being like yet another

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impossible metric possibly because we

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all know that the condon report was that

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was

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um

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that was

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not a

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a honest effort right and it was not in

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fact it was an effort to shut down

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conversation so this so we've been kind

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of like built on in some ways

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in this con cultural conversation we've

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been built on

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um something that's kind of

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fundamentally dishonest in some ways and

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i think that that may be something that

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john was missing maybe even in that

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conversation which is that

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that

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you know like we

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the whole

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cultural conversation did not have to

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understand

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einstein's theories

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for them to become dominant theories

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right right we didn't all need to learn

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how to play electric guitar for us to

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to leap forward and pop music with bands

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like the beatles or whatever right right

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like that ex those kinds of thought

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leaders existed and and brought us

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forward in a way

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right so i think that there's a level

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where where

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you know that kind of resonance

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there's a way to think about sometimes

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those impossible metrics and things like

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that that that can that we can start to

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maybe evade in the future if that makes

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sense yeah it does and i i think it's uh

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very well put

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um the

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you know another part of that uh talk

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that he was that he gave

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um that really stood out to me was

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um i think it was somebody from harvard

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like um they were like investigating him

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or whatever to make sure that he was

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like up to snuff with the stuff he was

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doing

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um but in the end and he provided like

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evidence and everything to these people

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but in the end um

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even with the evidence from

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professionals and everything um they

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said well it doesn't fit our

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um what we're trying to do our thought

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process here but basically he said um

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you know even if

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you know there was a saucer that did

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land you know i hate using this cliche

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but on the white house lawn so to speak

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and you were there or it was all over tv

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in their pictures and the best videos

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you still wouldn't believe it would you

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and he's like you know to be honest i i

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don't think i would no

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you know and you know then he goes into

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you know

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it's going to take more than um

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just factual evidence it's going to

573
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:09,760
change a paradigm shift of the world

574
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:12,080
view possibly you know

575
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:13,919
so that's going backwards a little bit

576
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:16,159
but but that did stick with me i don't

577
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:17,919
think it is because you're absolutely

578
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:19,360
right like it has to touch people in a

579
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:20,240
way

580
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:22,000
like you can read all the books you want

581
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:23,280
you can read all the facts you want but

582
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:26,159
if it doesn't resonate with uh what you

583
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:29,200
know like in your whole being honestly

584
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:30,880
you're not gonna believe it people need

585
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:32,960
to feel it not just know it because how

586
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:35,280
many times do you know something

587
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:37,039
but you don't care or it doesn't stick

588
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:38,880
with you because you're not feeling it i

589
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:41,440
know that sounds crazy but

590
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:43,200
well

591
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,799
this other layer that can be built on

592
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:46,400
what jay was saying around thought

593
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:48,159
leaders is

594
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:49,279
you know

595
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:51,600
in spite of ourselves we we often have a

596
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:54,080
very heard mentality like we we look

597
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:56,080
external to ourselves for reference

598
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:58,159
points as to kind of what's true how to

599
00:24:01,909 --> 00:23:59,679
make sense of things that are happening

600
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:01,919
and so the role of what you know in some

601
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:03,840
places are called epistemological

602
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:05,600
authorities is really important and so

603
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:07,840
this means like people into public

604
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,159
intellectuals to public you know figures

605
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:12,720
who you know we kind of tee up to and

606
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:15,440
kind of take cues from as to how to make

607
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,400
sense of of new information and i think

608
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:20,640
this is what's so fascinating by what

609
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:22,960
happened with sam harris over the summer

610
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:25,679
where he came out on a few podcasts and

611
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:27,760
basically seemed to be saying that you

612
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:29,520
know he had been approached about

613
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:31,840
playing a role with helping the public

614
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:34,080
acclimate to the reality of the

615
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:35,360
phenomenon

616
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:37,600
and he didn't go into a lot of details

617
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:39,200
but it highlights that you know

618
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:41,200
individuals like that who have been kind

619
00:24:45,909 --> 00:24:44,080
of naysayers or skeptical or critical if

620
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:45,919
people like that kind of come into the

621
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:47,600
fold and start saying well i think there

622
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:49,440
actually is something to this or i've

623
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:52,640
changed my opinion you know then that is

624
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:54,559
going to go a long ways with you know

625
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:56,080
people who are kind of on the fence or

626
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:58,240
who haven't really considered it much

627
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,279
they're all of a sudden going to turn

628
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:01,360
their heads and go holy smokes like sam

629
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:04,080
harris or whoever it might be you know

630
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:06,159
is kind of getting behind this or is

631
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:09,120
open to this so you know now you know

632
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:11,120
i'll reconsider it so in a sense it

633
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,039
isn't about the photograph or the good

634
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:15,600
video footage we tend as human beings to

635
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:18,000
often kind of look towards people we

636
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,000
respect or we think who have some kind

637
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:22,720
of you know you know authority around

638
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:25,360
truth and if if they're getting on the

639
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:27,760
train we're going to get on the train so

640
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:28,799
i think that's going to play an

641
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:30,240
interesting role as we go forward like

642
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,159
who are the thought leaders um you know

643
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:34,480
and both within the ufo you know

644
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,080
community but also outside the ufo

645
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:38,400
community who start to kind of go hey

646
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,679
like wow

647
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:41,520
this is happening

648
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:43,039
i mean that's a good point especially

649
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:46,559
with um um avi loeb's project and and

650
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:49,039
bringing in mike shermer right or

651
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:51,279
or the guy from seti maybe there's more

652
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:54,400
to that than we think you know and if

653
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,880
folks like that um

654
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:58,799
kind of alter their

655
00:26:02,149 --> 00:26:00,799
um perspective because of you know

656
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:02,159
whatever reason

657
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:02,880
um

658
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:05,039
you know i think that will actually you

659
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:06,720
know you're right that that'll go a long

660
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,159
way as as we've seen people who are even

661
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:12,159
ex-intelligence you know and have been

662
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:14,000
confirmed to be

663
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:17,120
um tell you what's going on it's it you

664
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:19,600
know it struggles to get 4 000 views on

665
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:21,919
a youtube video and it's

666
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:23,279
because it needs

667
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:25,600
somebody they look to

668
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,640
um

669
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:28,559
you know just like you said somebody or

670
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,400
like a mick west or whatever

671
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:32,880
um and they changed their perspective

672
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:34,960
when you know you thought never in a

673
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:37,279
million years would they you know uh

674
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:39,279
like the college like the education

675
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:40,880
course for blue book or whatever is

676
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:42,880
going out there now educating people

677
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:45,039
that this stuff's real

678
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:47,200
on jeff [\h__\h] has this great concept

679
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:50,400
called flip where you know scientists or

680
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:52,480
you know researchers or public

681
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:56,159
intellectuals will have a an experience

682
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:59,200
you know the paranormal or of a ufo you

683
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:00,880
know encounter and they'll flip like the

684
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,720
worldview will flip and so in that book

685
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:04,559
he kind of talks about a lot of

686
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:06,320
prominent examples of people who flipped

687
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,559
kind of from one world view to another

688
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,559
so that's going to be interesting to see

689
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:12,480
that process happening but even if we

690
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:14,240
look at john mack part of what makes

691
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,080
john mack so compelling

692
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:18,240
is i mean he's a lovely man right but

693
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,240
there's a lot of lovely men and women in

694
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,640
the ufo community now you know sharing

695
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:24,559
their insights and perspectives part of

696
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:26,080
what makes him so compelling is he was

697
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:28,399
from harvard right and that harvard went

698
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,720
after him and danny sheehan helped him

699
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:32,880
fight that off and and stay standing in

700
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,960
spite of their efforts to discredit him

701
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,720
so so that's a great example of like an

702
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:38,159
epistemological authority of someone

703
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:40,640
suicide got a lot of credibility very

704
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:43,279
heartfelt and very smart and like that

705
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:45,679
combination is you know really powerful

706
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:47,440
you know and we really look towards that

707
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:48,640
and i think that's going to play a big

708
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:51,440
role you know in the coming years

709
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,120
yeah it's interesting because he also

710
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:55,679
touches on uh this topic more or less in

711
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,520
that same discussion

712
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:59,520
about where about leaders and where a

713
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:01,279
leader is going to come from linda did

714
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,360
you have any other thoughts on it

715
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:05,760
well thought leaders cover a lot of

716
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,960
areas and even with someone like demi

717
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:10,320
lovato

718
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:12,640
which a lot of people have questioned

719
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,679
you know whether that's a benefit or not

720
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:17,520
she brings

721
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:19,039
a lot

722
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:21,279
of people with her

723
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:23,440
to this subject

724
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:24,640
and so

725
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:25,520
um

726
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,000
you know there are people that believe

727
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:30,720
that what she has seen and said and was

728
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:32,320
on the show was

729
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:35,360
very credible and all of that so she's

730
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:38,159
definitely bringing people in to at

731
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:38,960
least

732
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:41,360
look at the topic right

733
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:43,039
i'm so glad you mentioned that linda

734
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:44,960
because i have a 15 year old daughter

735
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,520
and you know she hears me talking about

736
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:49,679
ufos and what's happening and so you

737
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:51,279
know she has a sense of a lot of this

738
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:52,159
for me

739
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,039
but

740
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:55,440
demi lovato is like she is so excited

741
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:57,279
she doesn't listen to demi's music so

742
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,799
much but the fact that demi's out there

743
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,880
saying this and doing that it's like

744
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:02,240
that's a bigger epistemological

745
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:07,990
it's true though you can see this whole

746
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:10,080
wave of the younger generation you know

747
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:12,799
with people like demi you know

748
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:16,000
speaking out it's having a huge impact

749
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:19,679
yeah and i kind of relate that to um any

750
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:21,279
you know evidence or leaks that have

751
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:23,600
come out in the past where people are

752
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:26,000
always such naysayers about whatever it

753
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:28,480
is like a corbel thing or whatever yeah

754
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:31,520
and in in in his high noon stuff and all

755
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:33,520
that but you know i think if you get

756
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:35,679
yourself outside of the

757
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:38,000
um you know the instant reflex of

758
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:39,840
wanting to react on something like that

759
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:41,840
right away like i was guilty of at the

760
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:42,640
time

761
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:43,520
um

762
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:49,039
really the big picture is all that noise

763
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:51,919
and all that buzz is an attempt to get

764
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:54,399
more people looking at this subject and

765
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:56,399
once they're here they can find their

766
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:57,440
own way

767
00:30:02,630 --> 00:29:58,799
you know

768
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:02,640
these

769
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:06,720
linda brought up demi lovato because

770
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:08,080
it's it's come up sometimes in

771
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,080
conversation

772
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:12,159
and there's

773
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:13,840
there's there's

774
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,720
i i i and i'm glad that sean seconded it

775
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:18,480
because there are

776
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:20,880
there are a lot of times in in

777
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:23,200
in our field if we're looking at the the

778
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:26,320
kind of small corner of

779
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:27,840
when you think about it right when you

780
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:29,679
think about how big the universe is or

781
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:31,279
the multiverse or however you want to

782
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:32,720
think about it right

783
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:35,440
and how like baked into reality the

784
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:38,320
weirdness is at least from many of our

785
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:39,760
perspectives

786
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:42,640
it's it can be strange to recognize how

787
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:45,600
small or how used to

788
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:46,559
uh

789
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:49,120
this kind of small corner that we that

790
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:51,279
we exist in or this conversation has

791
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,399
existed in and at the same time i see

792
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:56,159
people on the internet that'll say like

793
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:58,640
oh demi lovato doesn't represent me or

794
00:31:03,110 --> 00:30:59,760
whatever

795
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:03,120
because because people within ufology

796
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:04,640
sometimes

797
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:07,200
tend to think that whatever is making it

798
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:10,000
into the public consciousness should be

799
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:11,679
reflective of

800
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:14,799
the small world of ufology rather than

801
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:16,960
the actual

802
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:20,880
construct of reality right the the the

803
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:23,120
the epistemological constraints the

804
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:25,120
ontological constraints the world views

805
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:27,440
and things like that and so i i think

806
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:29,919
that in the in the years to come

807
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:31,600
we we often

808
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:34,159
people people sometimes say

809
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:36,880
oh the public is going to be so shocked

810
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:38,640
when they hear

811
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:41,039
uh what's really going down or whatever

812
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:43,519
right as if any one of us

813
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:45,760
knows exactly what's happening and at

814
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:48,240
the same time right

815
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:51,039
we in a in our community also have to

816
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:52,480
get used to

817
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:55,600
these conversations happening in a way

818
00:32:02,310 --> 00:31:58,799
that don't necessarily even involve us

819
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:02,320
because they they exist they will exist

820
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:04,720
and have to exist culture wide right

821
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,000
absolutely

822
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:07,840
i don't think that people understand

823
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:09,519
some people are here and i think that a

824
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:11,120
lot of people are kind of

825
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:13,519
um kind of hurt from this because

826
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,960
there's been so many people in the

827
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,399
community that have been experiencers

828
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:18,320
for so long and been laughed at and all

829
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:21,360
that and now we see um all these people

830
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:23,039
coming out into the main public doing it

831
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:25,279
like the popular people like people gave

832
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:27,440
time to long stuff some people gave demi

833
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,320
stuff but here's the thing with

834
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,480
disclosure needs to be global it can't

835
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:32,640
be for our small community otherwise we

836
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:34,399
wouldn't even need the movement to be

837
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,760
happening we wouldn't need the breaking

838
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:37,440
of stigma if everybody already believed

839
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:40,559
we need whoever will join and believe

840
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:42,000
that this is real and that we need to

841
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:44,240
expose truth and stigma and help people

842
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:46,080
report these things we need it to happen

843
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:47,919
however it's going to happen and we need

844
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:49,600
these big names whether you like them or

845
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:51,440
not we can't get disclosure by

846
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,960
gatekeeping the disclosure

847
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:56,159
i think that's such a great point

848
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:58,080
priscilla and you know one of the

849
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,600
concepts i really love that louis

850
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:01,919
lozando's put forward a number of times

851
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:04,159
is just the notion of a big tent right

852
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,760
that we just need a big tent where like

853
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,679
everyone is welcome right like we just

854
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:09,440
need a lot of people with a lot of

855
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:11,120
different views on this and like let's

856
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:12,720
bring him into the tent and let's be in

857
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:15,600
conversation and debate and clarify and

858
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:17,360
challenge and support and and you know

859
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:20,480
in an honest loving respectful way

860
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:21,919
because i think your point brazil is

861
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:24,000
really key like disclosure is going to

862
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:25,679
look different within these different

863
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:27,760
world views right you know like each

864
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:29,760
worldview you know is going to approach

865
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:32,159
it and respond to different things right

866
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:33,760
and so if we're trying to manage the

867
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:36,000
narrative in our own ufo logical way

868
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:37,760
like we're just part of that same

869
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:39,840
process right it's kind of like let a

870
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:42,159
thousand you know blossoms bloom right

871
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:44,240
you know like and how do we support that

872
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:45,760
you know how do we support kind of a

873
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,320
diversity of of dialogue and engagement

874
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:50,720
while still trying to advocate for

875
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:53,039
you know good information and and

876
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,640
thoughtful and grounded and you know

877
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:56,399
scientific or you know bringing the

878
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:58,559
experiencers in i mean there's a lot to

879
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:00,240
do to try and have it be a good

880
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:02,880
conversation but i think having a big

881
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:05,120
tent where we just really allow all of

882
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:06,799
this to go on because

883
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:08,159
you know it's

884
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:10,960
it's it's a multi-front you know process

885
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:12,800
you know it's it's going to be happening

886
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:19,270
i couldn't agree with you more and

887
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:20,399
i think

888
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:22,079
you know you you touched on something

889
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:23,200
that that

890
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:24,879
i've been thinking about for a while and

891
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:27,280
it's that the ability to discuss this

892
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:28,639
and be open

893
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:29,440
um

894
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:31,679
and do it in an honest way and honest

895
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:34,480
fashion like if you are interested in

896
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:36,560
this topic or you want to take part in

897
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:39,200
the discussion it's imperative that you

898
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:42,800
don't come with a glass half empty

899
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:45,359
you know kind of attitude which so many

900
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:48,960
people do and that negativity um is what

901
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:52,000
kind of poisons the well so to speak you

902
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:54,000
don't have to come and you know throw

903
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,800
your critical thinking in the garbage um

904
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:58,800
and just believe everything those aren't

905
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:00,960
the two options you know

906
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:03,839
um the option is to come and open your

907
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:06,720
mind to what the possibilities could be

908
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:09,200
um and to help it in a positive manner

909
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:11,200
so um i think what you guys are saying

910
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:13,359
is great yeah

911
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:15,119
if you have anything else to add to that

912
00:35:17,310 --> 00:35:16,720
you can otherwise i could pop another

913
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,320
video

914
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:19,440
[Laughter]

915
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:22,240
well what you were just saying about

916
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:25,760
openmon and everything um one person

917
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:29,119
this week on ufo twitter asked

918
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:32,640
well how do we listen to experiencers

919
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,839
and know

920
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:35,200
if they're telling the truth and

921
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:37,200
everything and i said

922
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:38,960
you just listen

923
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:40,880
i said just listen

924
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,119
to everybody

925
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:45,359
i said you know not everybody's going to

926
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:47,680
have the same experience

927
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,960
and you're going to have to use your

928
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:50,480
discernment

929
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:51,280
but

930
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:52,960
you have to have

931
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:56,400
an open mind to hear it before you shut

932
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:59,520
it down or before you start judging

933
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:01,920
and i think you know that goes with that

934
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:04,480
you can't have a conversation without

935
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,760
listening

936
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:07,680
and you know what to me you don't even

937
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,400
have to believe an experience here you

938
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:12,640
don't have to believe them to still

939
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:14,400
be positive and engaged in the

940
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:16,240
conversation you know because let's be

941
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:18,320
honest even like john mack or anybody

942
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:21,680
else has always said like he's

943
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:23,839
you know in that video we played he was

944
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:26,400
gearing towards a you know a system

945
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:28,320
you know to figure out

946
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:29,599
for that but

947
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:31,200
but in the end there's there's always

948
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:32,880
going to be a bad apple that is no

949
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:35,839
different than anything else that exists

950
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:38,560
in the world you know like your favorite

951
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:41,359
basketball team or favorite movie like

952
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:43,200
you know there's going to be the great

953
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:45,280
actors who you love then there's going

954
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:48,079
to be the crappy one that you don't like

955
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:50,800
and you know who lied and stole a bunch

956
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:52,240
of money from his girlfriend in real

957
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:54,480
life or whatever like you know like

958
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:57,200
there's always going like i think

959
00:37:01,750 --> 00:36:59,359
sometimes we have the

960
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:01,760
um the kind of tunnel vision of thinking

961
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:05,359
that um issues that the ufo community or

962
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:07,839
the disclosure or whatever

963
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:10,640
like those issues are unique to it

964
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:13,280
you know when that is not the case you

965
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:16,079
know the same issues people have

966
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:17,440
everywhere else

967
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:19,680
it follows us here too

968
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,480
so

969
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:22,320
i just think it's important to know that

970
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,599
be cognizant of it and not to you know

971
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:27,440
just think because someone

972
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:30,560
has a wild experience that all of a

973
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:32,560
sudden you have to treat them

974
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:34,560
any different than you would anyone else

975
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:37,119
you know whether you believe them or not

976
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,800
another one to come forward if people

977
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:40,320
keep treating them that way

978
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:42,079
you know um whether they're telling the

979
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:43,440
truth or not like you said like linda

980
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:44,720
said just listen

981
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,280
and the more stories we hear the more

982
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,280
experiences we hear about

983
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:51,119
will be able to kind of find some ways

984
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,359
to differentiate between who's telling

985
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:55,280
the truth and who's actually lived this

986
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:56,800
versus somebody that might have had some

987
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:58,320
sort of hallucination versus somebody

988
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:00,320
that's just making it up but we're not

989
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:02,320
going to get to see these different

990
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:03,359
we're not going to be able to measure

991
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:04,640
the different things if we don't get

992
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,280
enough people to tell their stories or

993
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,359
their experiences and i kind of am like

994
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:11,200
afraid to use the word story because it

995
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:12,480
kind of um

996
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:13,920
it can be like kind of you know

997
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:15,520
victimizing to the person saying you

998
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:17,839
don't believe them

999
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:19,760
so you want to hear as many experiences

1000
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,440
as possible whether you believe it or

1001
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:23,280
not like she said just listen take notes

1002
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:24,880
if you want and then you can start

1003
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:27,359
comparing like the the things that

1004
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:30,079
happened in most experiences experiences

1005
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:32,480
and things that kind of seem like they

1006
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:34,240
have they're like they're an outlier or

1007
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:35,520
part of their story or part of their

1008
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:37,040
experience is kind of like an outlier so

1009
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:38,240
you want to kind of like watch it a

1010
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,960
little more maybe

1011
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:42,480
you know and if we look at

1012
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:44,320
qualitative and quantitative research

1013
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:45,839
right like if you look at people who

1014
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:47,920
actually research different kinds of

1015
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:49,920
psychological sociological natural

1016
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:52,880
phenomenon there's actually an amazing

1017
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:55,520
landscape of different criteria for

1018
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:58,160
truth in different contexts i think part

1019
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:00,720
of what we bump up against is we we take

1020
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:02,720
the criteria of truth that's associated

1021
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,880
with natural science and we try and

1022
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:06,480
apply that to

1023
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:08,240
listening to an experiencer and that

1024
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:10,240
doesn't always work very well because if

1025
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:11,760
you look at qualitative researchers

1026
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:13,359
researchers like psychologists and

1027
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:15,839
sociologists who do in-depth interviews

1028
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:17,520
you know and try and make sense of

1029
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:19,680
different dynamics and psychological

1030
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:21,440
sociological phenomena

1031
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:23,359
they have criteria to tell whether or

1032
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,119
not someone's being truthful and it's

1033
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:27,440
things like are they sincere are they

1034
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,599
vulnerable right do they do they display

1035
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:31,440
or express some sense of vulnerability

1036
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:32,640
and what they're sharing you know like

1037
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:33,920
they're afraid that you're going to

1038
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:36,960
think they're crazy right do they have

1039
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:39,280
epistemic reflexivity like are they

1040
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,520
demonstrating like reflective capacities

1041
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,920
as they're sharing the information um

1042
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,760
are there certain patterns that line up

1043
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:47,280
with what they're sharing with what

1044
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:49,040
other people who have claimed other

1045
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:50,640
similar experiences right so there's

1046
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:53,040
actually a really sophisticated you know

1047
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:54,880
set of criteria

1048
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:57,119
that professional researchers use to

1049
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:59,040
help tell if someone's telling the truth

1050
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:01,200
and we actually do that in an informal

1051
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:03,520
way as well right so i think part of it

1052
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:06,079
is as we bring experiencers into the

1053
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:08,319
conversation more right and ju because i

1054
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:09,839
think one of the risks with what's

1055
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:12,880
happening now is like the conversation's

1056
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:14,960
getting dominated by criteria associated

1057
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,640
with science right and while that's

1058
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,240
really important i think we also have to

1059
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:20,240
bring the experiencers in right they can

1060
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,599
in fact in some ways they're more

1061
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:23,440
important because they they bring in the

1062
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:25,200
quality of consciousness which seems to

1063
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:27,520
be you know essential and foundational

1064
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:29,359
to so much of the phenomenon so i think

1065
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:31,359
we have to also start to expand our

1066
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:32,800
understanding of kind of what is truth

1067
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:34,640
how do we understand truth and that

1068
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:37,200
there's different criteria that can be

1069
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:39,680
used to verify truthfulness in different

1070
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:41,920
contexts

1071
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:44,560
i think that's beautiful what is reality

1072
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:48,000
right what is truth um in the context of

1073
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:49,440
that like

1074
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:51,920
you know going back to john mack again

1075
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:54,480
um you know it doesn't necessarily mean

1076
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:56,960
that people are actually going in an

1077
00:41:02,069 --> 00:41:00,000
actual hard nuts and bolts spaceship or

1078
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:02,079
maybe it does like we don't i don't

1079
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:03,920
think we know enough to say that but it

1080
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:05,920
brings me up to a topic i did want to

1081
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:08,960
talk about is is you know

1082
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:10,400
how do you

1083
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:12,240
make the difference between if this is

1084
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:15,200
outer space or inner space

1085
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,000
yeah

1086
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:18,240
i think i think that there's a really

1087
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:19,520
i didn't mean to jump in there did you

1088
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:20,960
have something further there that you

1089
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,680
wanted to go with sean um no i think i

1090
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:25,440
think that the the

1091
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:26,240
oh

1092
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,349
um i think i think along with what sean

1093
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,920
and sean and priscilla and linda what

1094
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:37,920
all of you are saying um

1095
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:41,119
you know one thing here is that yes um

1096
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:41,920
it

1097
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:45,760
be respectful and again i've said this

1098
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:47,599
before and i'll say it again

1099
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,760
i don't need anybody to believe

1100
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:51,359
what

1101
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:56,319
i don't like that's unnecessary it's and

1102
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,839
in fact it can be kind of

1103
00:42:02,069 --> 00:41:59,440
counterproductive to the conversation

1104
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,079
moving forward like it's it's okay like

1105
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:04,160
whoever doesn't resonate with that fine

1106
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,440
just you know

1107
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:07,200
go have a conversation that you will

1108
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:08,880
resonate with at this point right

1109
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:11,119
because there are plenty of people that

1110
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,280
can resonate with this conversation at

1111
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:15,520
any given point and i'm okay with that

1112
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:17,119
right and i'm sure that many other

1113
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:19,839
experiences are as well you know donald

1114
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:21,760
hoffman uh

1115
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,800
who

1116
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:24,960
does a lot of work with

1117
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:27,280
cognitive science and understanding

1118
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:29,599
cognition wrote a really interesting

1119
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:31,280
book called the case against reality a

1120
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:33,359
couple years ago and

1121
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:35,040
one of the and

1122
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:36,480
in my

1123
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:37,280
in

1124
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:44,640
more people need to read john mack or

1125
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:46,880
look into john mack other people should

1126
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:50,160
also within this field look at

1127
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:52,000
the work of people like don hoffman and

1128
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:54,079
others that are looking at cognition

1129
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:57,040
consciousness and even

1130
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:00,480
even ai because those those people

1131
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:02,480
focused on that are trying to figure out

1132
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:04,400
how our brains work how our senses work

1133
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:07,200
how how we take in information right

1134
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,640
and what people are starting to

1135
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:10,640
recognize as don hoffman puts in the

1136
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:15,200
case against reality it seems like a a a

1137
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:16,160
kind of

1138
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:16,960
a

1139
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:30,880
limited

1140
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:33,599
visual spectrum we hear less than dogs

1141
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:35,599
here you know there's so much along

1142
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:38,800
those lines and what it comes down to is

1143
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:40,880
that it seems like our senses are

1144
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:42,319
actually dulled

1145
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:44,880
or we have a filter on them

1146
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:47,440
um and don hoffman's contention is that

1147
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,040
this is so that

1148
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:51,920
we're we're built to to get old enough

1149
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:53,680
to procreate

1150
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,200
and safely and and and everything has

1151
00:44:01,109 --> 00:44:00,000
been kind of like sanded down in terms

1152
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:01,119
of our

1153
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:07,119
we do that right and it seems like you

1154
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:09,520
know and embedded in that might be the

1155
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:11,599
idea that there are all sorts of things

1156
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:13,359
maybe within what eric davis called the

1157
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:14,800
shadow biome

1158
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:16,720
that are right here next to us at any

1159
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:17,920
given point

1160
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:20,240
and we've even we've been evolved to not

1161
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:21,760
see them

1162
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:24,640
so that so that we can just get by right

1163
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:26,880
and along those lines you know there's

1164
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:28,240
there's so much

1165
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:30,079
along

1166
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,800
in ufology that where we don't want

1167
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:34,720
we don't want to lose information and i

1168
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,000
think that that's one thing that

1169
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:38,000
everybody can get on board with like

1170
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,760
whether you're an experiencer or you're

1171
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,520
not an experiencer or whether you're not

1172
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:43,119
even given to

1173
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:45,200
wanting to listen to experiences

1174
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:47,280
quote-unquote claims i hate that word

1175
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:50,079
too claims really bums me out right

1176
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,599
because most people that come forward

1177
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:54,000
about this stuff like they like it's at

1178
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:56,319
great personal risk oh yeah

1179
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:57,839
right and so

1180
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,400
um along those lines you know within the

1181
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:02,079
experiencer group

1182
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:04,480
we've had about 1100 people come through

1183
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:06,720
and you can start making

1184
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,560
you can start putting things together

1185
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:10,880
you know once you start having these

1186
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:12,880
numbers kind of like accumulate you

1187
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:14,800
start you start seeing patterns develop

1188
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:16,480
in front of you they don't it doesn't

1189
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:18,640
mean that it's there's some grand

1190
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:20,960
cohesion that i see at this point at all

1191
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:21,920
but like

1192
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:24,160
once you start hearing people being able

1193
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:27,040
to speak freely without worrying about

1194
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:29,359
whether somebody is going to

1195
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:30,960
to to

1196
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:31,680
to

1197
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:36,000
ring some bell about whether something's

1198
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:38,800
true or false or not so it doesn't

1199
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:40,240
necessarily even have to be something

1200
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,319
like the experiencer group it can be

1201
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,720
there needs to be more in my opinion

1202
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,400
situations within

1203
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:48,480
ufology and within the greater culture

1204
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:50,560
where people can anonymously talk about

1205
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:51,520
this stuff

1206
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,319
to places maybe other than mufon right

1207
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:56,480
maybe even other than the experiencer

1208
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:57,280
group

1209
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:58,800
like there needs to be a lot of

1210
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:00,640
situations there needs to be a lot of

1211
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:02,319
avenues where people can talk about

1212
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:05,119
stuff and and maybe an even an anonymous

1213
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:07,359
framework and along those lines even

1214
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:08,560
there's one more thing that i want to

1215
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:10,240
point out before we maybe go to the next

1216
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:13,440
clip is that that we we often listen to

1217
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:15,520
the idea of of

1218
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:17,040
and i think this is critically important

1219
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:18,480
to what we were just talking about is

1220
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:19,200
that

1221
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:21,440
there's often this idea of just

1222
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:23,359
disclosure with a capital d that's going

1223
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:24,960
to come from the government it's going

1224
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:26,319
to come from some

1225
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:29,839
old probably man at a podium somewhere

1226
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:32,480
that's gonna tell you something and then

1227
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:34,480
it's we're all gonna do a dance because

1228
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:35,920
then we're gonna know what the truth is

1229
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:38,560
or something like that as if our any one

1230
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:40,079
particular dysfunctional government is

1231
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:42,079
gonna know exactly what's going on with

1232
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:44,880
reality with all of reality with all of

1233
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:48,000
the universe but we do have the ability

1234
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,200
as experiencers and as listeners

1235
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:53,280
to embrace the idea of personal

1236
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:54,640
disclosure

1237
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:57,359
like what what ha like what happened to

1238
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,560
you and who what loved one can you trust

1239
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,160
with that information

1240
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,800
and are you are you that loved one are

1241
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:06,079
you the loved one and not the

1242
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:07,920
experiencer can you listen with a more

1243
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:09,200
open mind

1244
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:11,440
and think back to times where people

1245
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,880
have like tried to tell you these

1246
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:14,400
vulnerable truths

1247
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:17,200
and you know again we can we can spread

1248
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,119
things organically as well because that

1249
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:22,079
does seem to be something that that at

1250
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:24,480
least some of these other beings

1251
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:26,800
maybe are interested in they might be

1252
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:29,280
interested in these kinds of more

1253
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:32,319
um organic even grassroots

1254
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:34,880
uh kind of situations

1255
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:37,040
yeah and i mean really it how

1256
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:40,160
unrealistic is it to to honestly think

1257
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:41,680
something like this

1258
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:42,880
exists

1259
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:45,680
in which is probably many different ways

1260
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:48,079
but it's only up to the white house to

1261
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:49,520
tell us about it

1262
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:51,680
um i just don't think that's really

1263
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:54,720
grounded in reality i i would you know i

1264
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:56,559
actually go back to this conversation i

1265
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:58,400
had with sean cahill where he's like i'm

1266
00:48:02,069 --> 00:48:01,119
more inclined to think if if there's

1267
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:02,079
like

1268
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,200
a disclosure it would probably be more

1269
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:07,599
up to them to make the move i would

1270
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:08,960
think

1271
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:11,440
you know but otherwise you know digging

1272
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:13,119
in within yourself and finding your own

1273
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:15,680
truth i thought was beautiful uh jay

1274
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:17,280
because um

1275
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:18,160
you know

1276
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:19,680
i think some people

1277
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:22,079
you know would think or or act like

1278
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:24,559
that's some sort of cop-out you know to

1279
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:26,400
find oh you're just you got your own

1280
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:29,280
truth okay whatever you know but i mean

1281
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:30,880
in the end who

1282
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:32,559
you know you're going to bed with with

1283
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:34,480
your mind you're looking at yourself in

1284
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:36,640
the mirror you're living your life so

1285
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:38,480
but you know you have to be comfortable

1286
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:41,040
with yourself to love yourself and you

1287
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:41,839
know

1288
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,760
you you won't be able to do that with

1289
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,599
somebody else's truth

1290
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:47,200
you'll only be able to do that with your

1291
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:48,720
own so

1292
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,710
that's it

1293
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:00,230
yeah it's um

1294
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:02,400
okay so first of all you gave me a

1295
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,880
ridiculous um when you said dance around

1296
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:06,880
i just pictured ufo flash mob

1297
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:08,319
so i was trying not to laugh because i

1298
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:10,079
get crazy thoughts um

1299
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:12,079
but you did say something sean before we

1300
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:13,520
um started talking about this he said

1301
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:15,680
something about um how do we even know

1302
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:18,960
it's happening on this oh which one

1303
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:21,440
okay what oh my gosh there's two of you

1304
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:24,240
um sr sean oh

1305
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:25,760
well both of you actually know it'd be

1306
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:27,280
great to hear both of you

1307
00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:28,640
you know

1308
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:29,920
but you said something like how do we

1309
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:31,760
know it's even happening like on like

1310
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:34,000
physically almost um

1311
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,440
a lot of people we don't know enough

1312
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:37,599
about consciousness and parallel

1313
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,839
dimensions in the many worlds theory to

1314
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,520
actually even say whether that's a thing

1315
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:43,440
or not because we have people that are

1316
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:45,440
getting these um a lot of experiences

1317
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:47,599
that i've met they kind of get dream

1318
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,640
recall

1319
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:50,480
um you know memories coming back in

1320
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:52,559
their dreams and then a lot of there are

1321
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:54,000
some people a lot of people that i've

1322
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,800
talked to that are experiencers that

1323
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:58,480
i'm not gonna say a lot because people

1324
00:50:01,349 --> 00:50:00,160
are starting to come to me more but

1325
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:01,359
people

1326
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:05,599
experiencers have had this thing happen

1327
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:07,760
where they have a vivid dream and they

1328
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:10,000
wake up with marks so

1329
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:12,720
we just we are so embedded in these

1330
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:14,880
other dimensions right now that we don't

1331
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,200
think um outside of our own

1332
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,079
when they might be parallel to us but

1333
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:22,640
just a different vibration or in

1334
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,520
different

1335
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:25,359
you know if you heard all the dimensions

1336
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:27,040
explained in physics like it's not

1337
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:28,800
literally like up and down people might

1338
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:30,240
think it's that way but

1339
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:32,240
it could be both they could be

1340
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,640
on in some part of deep space but then

1341
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,720
the consciousness can travel

1342
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:39,119
interdimensionally just like uh through

1343
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:41,839
entanglement or um like the quantum

1344
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:44,480
leaps so we don't know enough to even

1345
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:46,800
say this is real this is not real but

1346
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:48,559
what what scares the crap out of me is

1347
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:50,000
the people that have had these big

1348
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:51,760
dreams these real dreams they always say

1349
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:53,920
oh it was so real it was so real this is

1350
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:56,240
what they tell me and then they wake up

1351
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:57,920
with these marks on themselves or they

1352
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:00,559
wake up with um physical evidence and

1353
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:02,559
that's something that if there was even

1354
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:04,240
an anonymous place to collect that they

1355
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:05,680
might come forward more because a lot of

1356
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:06,960
the people are looking for evidence with

1357
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:10,000
experiencers but it might only exist

1358
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:11,920
like um almost like if you're exposed to

1359
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,680
a virus and your immune system kicks up

1360
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:15,280
you do blood work you know what i mean

1361
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:16,880
your blood work will show that but

1362
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:18,160
people don't have a place to go

1363
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:19,920
immediately after an experience in most

1364
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:22,480
cases even if you contact lufon or

1365
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:24,319
somebody else they're they're not going

1366
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:25,440
to get out there right away what are you

1367
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:27,040
going to tell your doctor like hey i had

1368
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:28,880
this dream and can you do some blood

1369
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:29,680
work

1370
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:30,880
good luck getting your insurance to

1371
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:32,240
improve that but

1372
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:33,920
i think that a lot of the evidence isn't

1373
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:35,119
going to be

1374
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:36,400
as scientific

1375
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:39,040
and as uh three you know as

1376
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:41,359
we are used to collecting evidence but

1377
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:43,119
as jay was saying if we have more places

1378
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:45,520
for people to report quicker

1379
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:48,160
or more immediately after an experience

1380
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:49,520
where they can get

1381
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:51,520
like physical tests done like blood work

1382
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:53,119
electromagnetic frequency testing and

1383
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:54,720
stuff like that i think that we would

1384
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,880
have more of a chance of catching the

1385
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:58,480
evidence that everybody's looking out

1386
00:52:01,829 --> 00:52:00,400
for outside of this like small

1387
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,839
experience or group where we just know

1388
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:03,599
it's happening or maybe it's happened to

1389
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:08,950
yeah that's great i i can say like for

1390
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:10,800
instance if that existed

1391
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:12,240
you know and i knew that was available

1392
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:14,880
to me i would have went

1393
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:16,319
you know

1394
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:20,559
it is available to some people um i have

1395
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:22,400
done that type of thing

1396
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:25,040
you have to be careful about who it is

1397
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:27,920
that you're giving it to because

1398
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:30,559
you do not know what it's ultimately

1399
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:33,280
being used for and you also lose

1400
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:36,319
possession of things

1401
00:52:44,829 --> 00:52:42,790
well maybe this is a good time to

1402
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:44,839
take a little break

1403
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:46,400
and

1404
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:48,079
come back in about five minutes or

1405
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:49,520
something else unless you guys want to

1406
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:51,440
keep rolling i'll just stitch out for a

1407
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:56,309
uh but something that kind of builds on

1408
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:59,359
several other themes here

1409
00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:00,480
yeah

1410
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:02,240
and well i i think it's interesting we

1411
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:04,319
look at kind of

1412
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:07,520
you know michio kaku who often makes

1413
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:09,680
this comment i've seen him make three or

1414
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:12,400
four times get an ashtray right like

1415
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:14,079
when you're on the ship if you've been

1416
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:16,000
abducted get an ashtray

1417
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:18,079
and and i just think like oh my gosh

1418
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:20,800
like like seriously but like you know

1419
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:22,640
this is that's the whole point right

1420
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:24,640
it's like to him because he's a

1421
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:25,680
physicist

1422
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:28,720
he only trafficks in objective reality

1423
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:30,960
in with particular kind of criteria

1424
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:33,280
which an ashtray from a spaceship would

1425
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:36,800
would satisfy that right and so so he

1426
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:38,559
only can see because of his worldview he

1427
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:41,599
can only see physical evidence in that

1428
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:44,319
simple location as physical evidence

1429
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:46,400
right he's not going to even allow for

1430
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,200
body marks or for you know any number of

1431
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:51,440
other physical traces and evidence

1432
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:52,960
because there is a lot there's four or

1433
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:54,319
five different types of physical

1434
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:55,920
evidence and different kinds of

1435
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,520
abductions and

1436
00:54:01,829 --> 00:53:59,520
encounters with non-human intelligences

1437
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:01,839
but he won't even allow that into you

1438
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:03,280
know kind of the conversation like he

1439
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:05,680
just kind of keeps it framed around like

1440
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:08,960
an ashtray like an object

1441
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:11,040
if you contrast that with john mack

1442
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:13,200
right so john mack was a psychiatrist

1443
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:15,920
right so we see him as an authority in

1444
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:17,359
whether or not people are telling the

1445
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:20,000
truth right like that's his job he's

1446
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:21,920
gone through a lot of training to be

1447
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:24,000
able to do that and one of the things he

1448
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:26,720
often says in his um interviews is he

1449
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,000
says

1450
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:30,240
these people are not crazy like they

1451
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:32,720
don't have psychopathology like i've ran

1452
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:35,599
the test i've looked for the the

1453
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:37,760
you know the examples of whether or not

1454
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:39,520
they would be having these issues and

1455
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:41,839
they don't right like all i can do is

1456
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:44,240
believe them because you know like

1457
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:46,319
they've passed all the criteria that i

1458
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:48,400
have as a psychiatrist

1459
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:50,240
right and so so i think it's interesting

1460
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:51,599
that you know that's why i think we

1461
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:52,960
really love john mack is because he

1462
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:55,280
really made room for this aspect but

1463
00:55:01,109 --> 00:54:57,760
then coming back to michio kaku he

1464
00:55:02,789 --> 00:55:01,119
flipped he recently really shifted how

1465
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:02,799
he's approaching this and that's i think

1466
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:05,520
such a good example right of like at a

1467
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:08,400
certain threshold of kind of information

1468
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:10,319
and evidence he started singing a

1469
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:12,319
different tune and saying okay now the

1470
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:14,400
burden of proof is no longer on the you

1471
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:17,119
know the experiencers the burden of

1472
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:18,960
proof is on the government and on you

1473
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:21,119
know the the naysayers and you know and

1474
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:23,440
so so i think that's really healthy for

1475
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:24,720
us to see

1476
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:26,720
you know a scientist like him being able

1477
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:29,200
to shift like that now neil degrasse

1478
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:31,359
tyson is not in that camp right he is

1479
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:32,480
who knows

1480
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:34,559
for him to come around right but i think

1481
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:36,400
the other thing this points to is is

1482
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:38,720
what i refer to as doubleness that the

1483
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:41,440
phenomenon is simultaneously physical

1484
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:44,400
and mental right and so if we're only

1485
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:46,720
looking for it to be expressed in

1486
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:48,640
concrete physical terms

1487
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:50,400
we're going to you know

1488
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:51,760
we're going to run up against the fact

1489
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:53,680
that that's not how it really plays

1490
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:56,400
right and that it it has aspects of that

1491
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:58,640
but it also has a lot of dynamic you

1492
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:00,319
know kind of mental

1493
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:03,359
you know spiritual conscious aspects to

1494
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:06,319
it and so people have dreams but then

1495
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,680
they have physical realities that result

1496
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:11,760
you know directly from those dreams so

1497
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:14,720
the phenomenon moves across these

1498
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:16,799
boundaries of subjective and objective

1499
00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:18,880
and john mack was really good also about

1500
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:21,200
highlighting that and talking about the

1501
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:23,040
shift of the phenomena from kind of the

1502
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:25,359
subtle realms to the physical realms

1503
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:27,119
right and i think that's part of what's

1504
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:28,559
you know having our scientists kind of

1505
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:30,640
throw their hands up as you know or why

1506
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:32,640
a situation like skinwalker ranch is so

1507
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:35,200
confusing right a lot of physical

1508
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:36,400
elements but then there's a lot of

1509
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:38,559
subjective consciousness elements and we

1510
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,119
don't yet have a framework to know how

1511
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:43,440
to hold all of that because for us

1512
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:45,359
unless it's concrete and physical that's

1513
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:47,440
the only thing that's real but here's

1514
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,040
the phenomenon that seems to have

1515
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:51,359
aspects of that but tends to play more

1516
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:54,079
from the consciousness domain and so you

1517
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:55,839
know we tend to just reduce it and

1518
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,559
discount it as a result

1519
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:00,480
yes

1520
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:02,880
i think this is a really good point and

1521
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:05,119
and you know there's there's so much

1522
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:07,760
even within that that

1523
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:10,160
you know first of all michio kaku is his

1524
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:12,000
i'm glad he's singing a different tune

1525
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:14,319
now a and i'm glad you brought that up

1526
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:16,319
that i and i think

1527
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:17,920
that it's all that it's kind of great

1528
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:20,880
that kaku had that had that example for

1529
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:23,119
so many years and others have as well

1530
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:26,000
because because eventually that will be

1531
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:28,160
like a really great case to study an

1532
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:30,079
example for like

1533
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:32,960
how unthinking people were with regard

1534
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:34,480
to world views and with regards to

1535
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:36,720
ontology because you know i think of all

1536
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:39,359
the assumptions that are there like a

1537
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:42,240
they have to smoke right or whatever

1538
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:43,040
we

1539
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:45,200
they they have to they they have to

1540
00:57:50,549 --> 00:57:46,960
still be at a level where where the

1541
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:50,559
smoke leads to an ashtray and yeah

1542
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:52,960
yeah and even we've even got vaping and

1543
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:54,880
e-cigs and stuff like that so even we

1544
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:58,160
have now transcended aliens

1545
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:59,920
oh my god there goes another fundamental

1546
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:01,599
picture just some alien kick back like

1547
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:03,599
while you're on the table

1548
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:05,760
right

1549
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:08,000
and that we're fully conscious the whole

1550
00:58:11,109 --> 00:58:09,200
time

1551
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:11,119
you know to be able to just do whatever

1552
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:13,520
we want yes yeah yeah

1553
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:16,079
yeah absolutely and the wooziness there

1554
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:19,200
are so many factors that it just assumes

1555
00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:20,640
and and

1556
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:23,599
at the same time i'm i'm i'm very very

1557
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:25,200
glad that we

1558
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:26,880
we're we're able to even joke about that

1559
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:29,119
now that there's that when we talk about

1560
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:30,319
things like what sean's talking about

1561
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:32,079
with regards to consciousness and the

1562
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:34,160
dreams and priscilla and linda brought

1563
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:37,359
up as well that that you know

1564
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:40,000
once you take it as a given once you

1565
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:41,359
start to take it as a given that

1566
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:44,240
telepathy is is possible the telepathic

1567
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:45,680
communication is possible in these

1568
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:48,079
contact cases you know once people start

1569
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:50,079
actually looking at the literature that

1570
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:52,480
way then then they'll they'll see you

1571
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:55,760
know is that a purely

1572
00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:58,720
you know for years back that seemed like

1573
00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:00,559
something that was

1574
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:03,680
witchy or woo or new agey or however you

1575
00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:05,599
want to think about it anyway

1576
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:06,400
yeah

1577
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:08,960
and yes and this which is a very very

1578
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:11,440
good point and and the the further along

1579
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:13,359
we get you know the the more that we're

1580
00:59:17,349 --> 00:59:15,440
able to say even now

1581
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:17,359
and we probably should have been for

1582
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:20,640
many decades now if not millennia right

1583
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:21,359
that

1584
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:24,400
it could be something innate to

1585
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:26,240
consciousness it could also be something

1586
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:28,400
that's aided by advanced tech

1587
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:30,400
right where if if you can start to

1588
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:32,799
manipulate space-time bubbles around you

1589
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:35,119
or however they're faster than light

1590
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:37,440
travel seems to work or if that's even

1591
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:38,400
happening

1592
00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:40,480
right we can make all sorts of like

1593
00:59:45,910 --> 00:59:43,760
goofy you know we can think within that

1594
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:45,920
kind of framework that kind of you know

1595
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:48,160
not saying that's necessarily exactly

1596
00:59:51,030 --> 00:59:49,520
true but

1597
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:51,040
going along with it for the sake of

1598
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:52,319
argument right

1599
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:55,520
uh so like if if even telepathy was

1600
00:59:59,910 --> 00:59:57,200
advanced tech right

1601
01:00:02,150 --> 00:59:59,920
if even you know years ago people would

1602
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:02,160
be embarrassed about saying that they

1603
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:04,319
were floated through a wall right that

1604
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:06,000
they were levitated and floated through

1605
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:08,799
a wall and the and

1606
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:11,040
as we as we progress as science

1607
01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:13,119
progresses even within the last few

1608
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:15,280
decades whether it's because of people

1609
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:17,520
have observed this and other people have

1610
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:19,680
kind of taken it and really thought

1611
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:21,680
through it that there's the idea of

1612
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:23,760
quantum tunneling which could which

1613
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:26,400
involves the idea of of rearranging

1614
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:28,079
physical matter so that it could slide

1615
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:30,000
through other physical matter like this

1616
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:31,680
is something that is theoretically

1617
01:00:37,270 --> 01:00:34,559
possible even for us now so

1618
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:37,280
there's so much that when we think about

1619
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,000
even within the idea of dreams within

1620
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:42,400
consciousness right if if

1621
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:45,040
we have this still made possibly

1622
01:00:49,829 --> 01:00:47,760
erroneous assumption that we can only be

1623
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:49,839
communicated our telepathic

1624
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:52,160
communication can only be happening when

1625
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:54,480
we're in some kind of like alert or even

1626
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:56,960
kind of zombie-like

1627
01:01:01,349 --> 01:00:58,720
like waking state

1628
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:01,359
but we sleep so much of the time and

1629
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:04,640
boy do these beings seem to really adore

1630
01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:06,640
three o'clock in the morning right and

1631
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:07,520
so

1632
01:01:13,589 --> 01:01:11,599
you know we assume mysticism and things

1633
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:13,599
like that but we but it doesn't

1634
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:16,160
necessarily preclude advanced technology

1635
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:17,119
as well

1636
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:19,520
and in part i'm i'm bringing that up

1637
01:01:23,829 --> 01:01:21,599
just to say that you know like if you're

1638
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:23,839
an obsessive nuts and bolts person you

1639
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:25,599
can still

1640
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:28,160
just get on board and just think

1641
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:30,240
a little bit further down the road think

1642
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:32,559
about where we could be in 400 years

1643
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:33,920
think about where we could even be in

1644
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:36,480
150 years and the idea of being able to

1645
01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:39,520
communicate communicate a message when

1646
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:41,119
somebody is in

1647
01:01:44,789 --> 01:01:43,520
is drifting off to sleep doesn't seem as

1648
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:44,799
impossible

1649
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:47,280
uh as not as that's right

1650
01:01:53,430 --> 01:01:49,839
i can't remember offhand or i've seen

1651
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:53,440
this but i think that's a thing already

1652
01:01:58,069 --> 01:01:55,760
um sending messages to people in their

1653
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:58,079
sleep it's been a thing for a very long

1654
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:59,599
time and the synchronicities line up

1655
01:02:02,549 --> 01:02:01,200
with the time and everything you don't

1656
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:02,559
have to just look at

1657
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:04,720
uh this phenomenon

1658
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:07,520
to the phenomena around the you know the

1659
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:09,920
abductions or experiences you don't even

1660
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:11,920
have to look just at that there's you

1661
01:02:15,430 --> 01:02:13,760
look at almost any religion that is

1662
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:15,440
considered mystical

1663
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:18,000
that time period between three and when

1664
01:02:22,150 --> 01:02:19,920
the sun rises and actually a little bit

1665
01:02:25,109 --> 01:02:22,160
after the sun rises is a said to be a

1666
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:25,119
sacred time and an opening for um for

1667
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:28,079
you to con contact other realms

1668
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:29,440
and if they're coming i know this is

1669
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:30,960
very would you but i don't know you know

1670
01:02:35,029 --> 01:02:32,480
tripping me out because i talk in my

1671
01:02:37,349 --> 01:02:35,039
sleep every friday night and night

1672
01:02:39,029 --> 01:02:37,359
usually around one or two it's not just

1673
01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:39,039
this like there's so many parallels with

1674
01:02:42,549 --> 01:02:40,720
that time and with a lot that's

1675
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:42,559
happening in the dream state that lines

1676
01:02:46,630 --> 01:02:44,720
up with with other people's belief

1677
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:46,640
systems with different belief systems

1678
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:48,160
all around the world and dating all the

1679
01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:50,640
way back to samaria so people have to

1680
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:52,880
remember that this isn't just

1681
01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:54,319
but you're looking for nuts and bolts

1682
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:56,160
you're looking for facts but some

1683
01:02:59,829 --> 01:02:57,920
there's a lot of things lining up if you

1684
01:03:02,230 --> 01:02:59,839
read about more than just your

1685
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:02,240
scientific articles and you need to read

1686
01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:05,440
both because that's what i i read both i

1687
01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:07,520
was molecular about as a biology student

1688
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:08,799
before i just decided to stay home with

1689
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:11,119
my kids so i feel like you have to

1690
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:12,720
balance the thing but i'm also very

1691
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:15,200
spiritual so i can see both things and

1692
01:03:17,910 --> 01:03:16,400
sometimes when i'm reading something

1693
01:03:19,589 --> 01:03:17,920
they're like oh we just found this out

1694
01:03:21,190 --> 01:03:19,599
i'm like yes but that's been part of you

1695
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:21,200
know that's been in the buddhist beliefs

1696
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:23,119
that's in the vedas so it's weird that

1697
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:24,640
you say we need to think forward about

1698
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:27,039
technology but are we actually

1699
01:03:31,029 --> 01:03:29,119
have were we already there

1700
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:31,039
and open to these things and then now we

1701
01:03:35,910 --> 01:03:34,000
got dumbed down or you know evolved a

1702
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:35,920
certain way to not feel those things

1703
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:37,280
that and see the things that are

1704
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:40,160
actually happening around us

1705
01:03:44,309 --> 01:03:42,160
i have to drop off in just a moment but

1706
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:44,319
i'll just make one more comment and then

1707
01:03:48,309 --> 01:03:46,160
say goodbye and it's been really

1708
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:48,319
delightful to connect and chat with all

1709
01:03:51,109 --> 01:03:49,359
of you

1710
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:51,119
the you know i think

1711
01:03:54,789 --> 01:03:52,799
one of the things i i spend a lot of

1712
01:03:57,270 --> 01:03:54,799
time reflecting on is this like

1713
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:57,280
there's no evidence right i see this all

1714
01:04:02,069 --> 01:04:00,000
the time in like articles and people say

1715
01:04:03,990 --> 01:04:02,079
there's no evidence and and there's so

1716
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:04,000
much evidence so how is it we live in a

1717
01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:05,520
world where on the one hand there's no

1718
01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:07,760
evidence and now on the other hand there

1719
01:04:11,829 --> 01:04:10,160
is so much evidence right this gets back

1720
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:11,839
to this whole worldview issue that we're

1721
01:04:15,029 --> 01:04:13,520
talking about and this this notion of

1722
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:15,039
epistemological authorities and kind of

1723
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:17,520
what counts as evidence and i actually

1724
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:19,200
spent several months making a list of

1725
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:21,200
like all the different kinds of evidence

1726
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:23,839
that i thought were solid and and i came

1727
01:04:26,789 --> 01:04:25,440
up with 30 right there was like

1728
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:26,799
archaeological evidence there was

1729
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:28,240
sociological evidence there was

1730
01:04:32,069 --> 01:04:30,400
political evidence there was military

1731
01:04:34,549 --> 01:04:32,079
evidence there was physical you know

1732
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:34,559
like and i and i i made this list over

1733
01:04:38,950 --> 01:04:36,799
many months and i was just like wow like

1734
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:38,960
there was so much evidence right and so

1735
01:04:42,150 --> 01:04:40,559
like how is it we live in this world

1736
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:42,160
where there's no evidence and yet

1737
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:44,400
there's a ton of it so the issues are

1738
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:46,640
education right you know like you know

1739
01:04:50,230 --> 01:04:48,960
bringing people into up to speed like

1740
01:04:53,430 --> 01:04:50,240
letting them know

1741
01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:53,440
part of its exposure to all of this um

1742
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:55,039
and part of it's just world view people

1743
01:04:58,549 --> 01:04:56,960
won't allow or admit some of that

1744
01:05:00,309 --> 01:04:58,559
evidence just because it goes against

1745
01:05:02,789 --> 01:05:00,319
their worldview and they'll just say

1746
01:05:05,190 --> 01:05:02,799
no it can't be because it can't be

1747
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:05,200
it's like but wait a second um so you

1748
01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:06,480
know it's fascinating that there's so

1749
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:08,640
much evidence and yet people constantly

1750
01:05:13,270 --> 01:05:10,640
say there's no evidence

1751
01:05:14,789 --> 01:05:13,280
um so with that i'm gonna bow out have a

1752
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:14,799
great rest of your evening and weekend

1753
01:05:19,270 --> 01:05:17,039
everyone great thank you shawn thank you

1754
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:19,280
so much i had a great time

1755
01:05:33,029 --> 01:05:30,549
is your hat sparkly

1756
01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:33,039
no i think i just have like white fuzz

1757
01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:34,880
on it or something well no it doesn't

1758
01:05:38,230 --> 01:05:36,400
like fuzz though it looks sparkly i was

1759
01:05:41,670 --> 01:05:38,240
just like wow he's got like a metallic

1760
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:41,680
black beanie it really freaked me out as

1761
01:05:46,150 --> 01:05:44,400
i was leaving because i

1762
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:46,160
full disclosure smoked a cigarette and

1763
01:05:49,990 --> 01:05:48,000
that's exactly what you guys went on

1764
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:50,000
talking about for like the next five

1765
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:51,680
minutes i'm like i gotta stop hanging

1766
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:01,670
sean have jay tell you what um sean's

1767
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:05,760
position is and what he just created

1768
01:06:11,029 --> 01:06:08,400
so we know who who it was that was just

1769
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:11,039
here oh good idea yeah go ahead jake you

1770
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:13,200
could do better to me

1771
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:14,960
okay sure um

1772
01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:18,400
so so sean uh he's been teaching he's

1773
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:21,280
been doing this this this this private

1774
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:22,319
course

1775
01:06:25,750 --> 01:06:23,760
that's also been kind of a bit of a

1776
01:06:27,349 --> 01:06:25,760
think tank it was an opportunity it's

1777
01:06:28,630 --> 01:06:27,359
called exo studies

1778
01:06:31,029 --> 01:06:28,640
and um

1779
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:31,039
and sean

1780
01:06:36,309 --> 01:06:33,839
sean came onto my radar back when uh i

1781
01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:36,319
was i was doing some community

1782
01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:37,760
management and things like that for

1783
01:06:42,549 --> 01:06:39,760
richard dolan's website

1784
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:42,559
and working with him and sean

1785
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:43,440
uh

1786
01:06:50,069 --> 01:06:44,880
has

1787
01:06:52,390 --> 01:06:50,079
historical work

1788
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:52,400
um ufos in the national security state

1789
01:06:56,230 --> 01:06:54,720
et cetera et cetera and so

1790
01:07:01,270 --> 01:06:56,240
um

1791
01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:01,280
workshopping the idea of putting

1792
01:07:07,510 --> 01:07:04,400
together a curriculum so that so that

1793
01:07:10,789 --> 01:07:07,520
anomalous studies ufology and kind of a

1794
01:07:14,069 --> 01:07:10,799
much wider framework could be integrated

1795
01:07:17,589 --> 01:07:14,079
into curriculums in academic situations

1796
01:07:20,069 --> 01:07:17,599
right and so uh that's actually uh john

1797
01:07:22,630 --> 01:07:20,079
ramirez for example was in was was in

1798
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:22,640
the exit studies workshopping course

1799
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:25,039
that's how i met him about a year ago or

1800
01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:25,920
so

1801
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:31,680
yeah i know i know john through there

1802
01:07:35,349 --> 01:07:32,880
and chance

1803
01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:35,359
sean's been doing this amazing job of

1804
01:07:39,029 --> 01:07:36,400
kind of

1805
01:07:41,750 --> 01:07:39,039
cobbling together sean has a sean's

1806
01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:41,760
doctorate i believe his is in philosophy

1807
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:43,359
don't quote me on that i believe it is

1808
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:44,880
and and he

1809
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:46,559
um

1810
01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:50,160
recently got hired as a

1811
01:07:58,230 --> 01:07:55,280
as a program head at the california

1812
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:58,240
institute for human science okay and

1813
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:00,480
it's a it's a it's a

1814
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:03,359
it's a somewhat smaller program but he

1815
01:08:07,349 --> 01:08:06,480
has he's created this new concentration

1816
01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:07,359
uh

1817
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:10,000
within under the kind of umbrella of the

1818
01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:11,359
philosophy

1819
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:14,079
program but it's in what's called noetic

1820
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:15,280
sciences

1821
01:08:19,990 --> 01:08:17,839
um and and so

1822
01:08:22,149 --> 01:08:20,000
they focus at the california institute

1823
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:22,159
for human science on mind body and

1824
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:23,520
consciousness

1825
01:08:29,189 --> 01:08:26,080
studies cognition things like this and

1826
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:29,199
so it created an opening for sean to

1827
01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:32,400
create a a doctorate program in

1828
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:33,920
anomalous studies

1829
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:35,520
and so

1830
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:36,880
uh

1831
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:38,880
it's pretty amazing i remember the day

1832
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:40,880
that he he told me that this was gonna

1833
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:42,880
happen and i was like

1834
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:45,279
kind of floored right because there's

1835
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:48,000
there's been some study of this but it's

1836
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:49,839
often been in religious studies

1837
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:52,000
departments like for example diana

1838
01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:54,560
pasulka who wrote american cosmic she's

1839
01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:56,080
got kind of a pocket of religious

1840
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:57,920
studies that deals with

1841
01:09:03,189 --> 01:09:00,719
the history of anomalies within but it's

1842
01:09:04,870 --> 01:09:03,199
always couched in this idea of belief

1843
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:04,880
and it's couched in the eye of the

1844
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:06,960
framework of belief systems and things

1845
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:09,839
like that and jeff kreipel at rice

1846
01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:11,759
university also has

1847
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:14,480
a noetic religious studies wing that

1848
01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:17,600
that deals with esoterica and but again

1849
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:20,159
it has a lot to do with belief systems

1850
01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:23,279
and not necessarily with regard to

1851
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:24,880
what sean was just talking about like

1852
01:09:29,349 --> 01:09:27,199
physical evidence and like where do we

1853
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:29,359
actually look at these things and so the

1854
01:09:33,669 --> 01:09:31,520
cool part is that now he has this

1855
01:09:35,669 --> 01:09:33,679
awesome masters and doctorate programs

1856
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:35,679
that can be they can be a replicable

1857
01:09:38,709 --> 01:09:37,920
format they can hopefully

1858
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:38,719
other

1859
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:43,600
look at this and be able to to replicate

1860
01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:45,359
formats like this in the future so that

1861
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:46,880
people can study people like jacques

1862
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:50,480
villa or john mack or even richard dolan

1863
01:09:52,149 --> 01:09:51,279
or

1864
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:52,159
you know

1865
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:52,960
and

1866
01:10:00,149 --> 01:09:57,120
anybody like that which is super cool

1867
01:10:01,990 --> 01:10:00,159
right um because hopefully it'll create

1868
01:10:04,390 --> 01:10:02,000
you know even just with sean's program

1869
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:04,400
that it'll it's you know it'll be it'll

1870
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:07,360
be a ball that can turn into a snowball

1871
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:09,360
coming down the mountain in terms of the

1872
01:10:13,030 --> 01:10:11,280
dialogues in the conversations that we

1873
01:10:16,070 --> 01:10:13,040
can have with people that are in

1874
01:10:20,229 --> 01:10:16,080
traditional academia as odd as it is it

1875
01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:20,239
sometimes feels like um you know

1876
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:21,440
belief

1877
01:10:26,310 --> 01:10:23,920
in in anything

1878
01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:26,320
almost serve as shackles in this

1879
01:10:28,870 --> 01:10:27,760
you know kind of

1880
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:28,880
study

1881
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:30,480
um

1882
01:10:34,630 --> 01:10:33,360
and i don't know so it's like

1883
01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:34,640
you speak of all those studies that

1884
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:35,920
they're kind of tied to belief and

1885
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:36,880
everything

1886
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:38,239
and it just

1887
01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:40,560
made me think of you know

1888
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:42,320
any of us having belief in anything

1889
01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:43,520
maybe

1890
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:46,880
what stops us from finding truth

1891
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:49,679
you know and in our personal truth

1892
01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:52,000
um so yeah i just thought that was that

1893
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:53,199
was pretty good

1894
01:11:02,550 --> 01:11:00,149
you know there's such beautiful minds in

1895
01:11:04,390 --> 01:11:02,560
this community um

1896
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:04,400
that have done such great work and i

1897
01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:06,960
feel like their work kind of just

1898
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:08,960
gets thrown under the bus because of the

1899
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:11,040
community they do it in

1900
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:13,280
um and it's too bad because you know avi

1901
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:15,520
actually speaks of this as a the ego is

1902
01:11:20,709 --> 01:11:17,600
the root of all evil and and i think

1903
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:20,719
that rings true a lot here you know

1904
01:11:26,550 --> 01:11:23,600
um the more we can admit that we don't

1905
01:11:27,830 --> 01:11:26,560
know anything the better off we'll be

1906
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:27,840
um

1907
01:11:32,229 --> 01:11:30,080
you know and that's just a big

1908
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:32,239
bigger picture general way of saying

1909
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:33,520
everything but

1910
01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:34,560
um

1911
01:11:40,709 --> 01:11:36,239
yeah so far this has been a great

1912
01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:40,719
conversation so really happy with it

1913
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:42,239
gladly agreed

1914
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:45,120
yeah um we were gonna take a break i

1915
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:47,360
already took my internet a cigarette so

1916
01:11:50,229 --> 01:11:48,960
if you guys don't need one we don't have

1917
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:50,239
to take one

1918
01:11:56,070 --> 01:11:52,560
it's up to you so

1919
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:56,080
we can go ahead okay all right so we'll

1920
01:12:00,870 --> 01:11:59,040
just take a quick little break and i'll

1921
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:00,880
just leave it to jay to just kind of

1922
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:03,440
talk to you guys one-on-one

1923
01:12:07,910 --> 01:12:05,520
um because that won't make them nervous

1924
01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:07,920
at all so i'm just kidding i'm just

1925
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:10,000
kidding i'm just kidding so we'll take a

1926
01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:12,640
break and we will be right back with

1927
01:12:20,950 --> 01:12:14,320
some more talking

1928
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:21,840
i'm just kidding

1929
01:12:26,790 --> 01:12:25,280
[Laughter]

1930
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:26,800
so yeah well we'll just take a five

1931
01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:29,440
minute break yo um take your bathroom

1932
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:30,560
breaks go

1933
01:12:54,670 --> 01:12:32,400
do whatever you got to do and we'll be

1934
01:12:54,680 --> 01:13:01,110
[Music]

1935
01:13:09,189 --> 01:13:04,630
everything started back in the 40s

1936
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:09,199
media reported a crashed flying saucer

1937
01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:12,480
and now 80 years later

1938
01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:15,040
the decades of secrecy

1939
01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:16,480
led to a certain

1940
01:13:20,970 --> 01:13:19,280
unpreparedness

1941
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:20,980
that was not unique to anyone

1942
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:23,520
[Music]

1943
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:26,400
and now et's are here and

1944
01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:27,520
well

1945
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:34,149
i guess earth's resources are so rare

1946
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:36,000
that they had to do it for survival

1947
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:40,709
i mean everything pretty much looks the

1948
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:41,760
same

1949
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:44,000
people work

1950
01:13:52,070 --> 01:13:48,080
although all for the et's but they work

1951
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:53,510
it's the 100

1952
01:14:02,149 --> 01:13:59,830
my wife and i moved to the midwest it's

1953
01:14:04,149 --> 01:14:02,159
a little less controlled there is the

1954
01:14:06,180 --> 01:14:04,159
aliens can't really seem to manage the

1955
01:14:08,709 --> 01:14:06,190
season change very well

1956
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:08,719
[Music]

1957
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:11,120
in retrospect it's maybe not my best

1958
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:14,080
decision ever

1959
01:14:17,930 --> 01:14:16,560
i'm not working for aliens

1960
01:14:20,310 --> 01:14:17,940
and historian

1961
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:20,320
[Music]

1962
01:14:26,229 --> 01:14:22,400
so the following is a story about how i

1963
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:29,030
in all of this

1964
01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:36,630
all i could do was fight

1965
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:39,679
fight for a place in this new world

1966
01:14:43,730 --> 01:14:41,360
and hopefully

1967
01:15:00,280 --> 01:14:43,740
get my wife back

1968
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:08,870
[Music]

1969
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:12,880
my go as far as i have to

1970
01:15:18,390 --> 01:15:15,760
to get back to you

1971
01:15:22,470 --> 01:15:18,400
driving to nowhere

1972
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:22,480
moving as fast as i dare

1973
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:25,360
convincing no one

1974
01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:28,880
plans on a formula

1975
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:31,040
the rest is given

1976
01:15:42,940 --> 01:15:40,790
and it was really brilliant

1977
01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:42,950
and magnificent

1978
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:45,040
[Music]

1979
01:16:10,709 --> 01:15:47,530
i wish

1980
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:31,430
so

1981
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:36,000
get a part in a movie or a play or

1982
01:16:40,709 --> 01:16:38,159
whatever when you can't make soundtrack

1983
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:40,719
music what do you do

1984
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:41,930
you make your own

1985
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:43,920
[Laughter]

1986
01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:47,679
so that's what i did i actually did that

1987
01:16:50,740 --> 01:16:49,360
somewhat

1988
01:16:53,030 --> 01:16:50,750
close to

1989
01:16:55,189 --> 01:16:53,040
[Music]

1990
01:16:59,910 --> 01:16:55,199
um

1991
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:02,070
when i started this stream and

1992
01:17:07,030 --> 01:17:05,040
everything so i actually shared it then

1993
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:07,040
but um

1994
01:17:13,270 --> 01:17:10,560
you know i had like 100 followers maybe

1995
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:13,280
just getting 10 views or so a day so i

1996
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:14,640
don't know and then i get self-conscious

1997
01:17:17,510 --> 01:17:16,000
and i just took it down but i put it

1998
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:17,520
back up and people are saying nice stuff

1999
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:18,880
so um

2000
01:17:22,950 --> 01:17:20,800
i just you know that

2001
01:17:26,470 --> 01:17:22,960
makes me want to share it again so

2002
01:17:27,830 --> 01:17:26,480
with that being said i'm gonna play a

2003
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:27,840
clip

2004
01:17:33,669 --> 01:17:30,560
that will

2005
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:33,679
um further the next half of the

2006
01:17:36,270 --> 01:17:35,920
discussion

2007
01:17:38,229 --> 01:17:36,280
and

2008
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:38,239
[Music]

2009
01:17:42,630 --> 01:17:41,040
it's pretty interesting so

2010
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:42,640
first

2011
01:17:44,100 --> 01:17:43,440
oh

2012
01:17:46,709 --> 01:17:44,110
it was like

2013
01:17:50,229 --> 01:17:46,719
[Laughter]

2014
01:17:51,669 --> 01:17:50,239
so um the one thing i wanted to say

2015
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:51,679
they're concerned about me with that

2016
01:17:59,110 --> 01:17:54,960
clip it it's not a real thing

2017
01:18:01,830 --> 01:17:59,120
i'm acting it's like a movie script

2018
01:18:04,149 --> 01:18:01,840
just so you know it's not real i made it

2019
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:04,159
up yeah

2020
01:18:10,149 --> 01:18:06,480
we're all concerned tell us no no

2021
01:18:14,310 --> 01:18:10,159
seriously it's i wrote it so yeah

2022
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:14,320
my wife loves me i love her we're happy

2023
01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:16,080
so yeah just say no

2024
01:18:19,830 --> 01:18:18,080
but you can you can tell us sean it's

2025
01:18:25,350 --> 01:18:19,840
okay

2026
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:27,189
i just like doing that kind of

2027
01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:28,400
all right

2028
01:18:34,790 --> 01:18:32,800
so this uh this next clip is more of a

2029
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:34,800
you know let me

2030
01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:37,600
let me know what you see in it i thought

2031
01:18:41,830 --> 01:18:40,800
there was so much said in this clip and

2032
01:18:44,790 --> 01:18:41,840
it's

2033
01:18:47,669 --> 01:18:44,800
um i think still rings true today

2034
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:47,679
actually so and it's

2035
01:18:53,030 --> 01:18:50,480
it's an interesting one too so okay

2036
01:18:55,030 --> 01:18:53,040
i've seen a ufo on a plane is that a

2037
01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:55,040
in comedy what you saw gary tell me um

2038
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:56,880
all i saw was a light that was falling

2039
01:19:01,590 --> 01:18:59,840
exactly along with our plane uh i was

2040
01:19:03,189 --> 01:19:01,600
sitting in the passenger window i kept

2041
01:19:05,070 --> 01:19:03,199
telling my mom look you're sitting in

2042
01:19:13,350 --> 01:19:05,080
the window why don't you sit in this

2043
01:19:17,430 --> 01:19:15,430
looking at a red light and a green light

2044
01:19:19,350 --> 01:19:17,440
and there was no body no shape or

2045
01:19:22,550 --> 01:19:19,360
nothing just these two lights was it

2046
01:19:26,790 --> 01:19:24,630
gary did it did it move away or did it

2047
01:19:28,709 --> 01:19:26,800
just stay there i turned to my mother

2048
01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:28,719
stupid me you know because you know when

2049
01:19:32,229 --> 01:19:30,000
you turn away from these things they're

2050
01:19:34,149 --> 01:19:32,239
not there i said ma will you look out

2051
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:34,159
the

2052
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:37,199
something here i was trying to tell you

2053
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:38,719
that it was there and it wasn't there

2054
01:19:42,550 --> 01:19:40,480
anymore i mean i turned my back for two

2055
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:42,560
seconds it wasn't there now what do you

2056
01:19:45,030 --> 01:19:44,000
call it

2057
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:45,040
well it sounds like you might have had a

2058
01:19:55,030 --> 01:19:52,300
i want two copies of your book

2059
01:19:59,350 --> 01:19:55,040
[Laughter]

2060
01:20:03,189 --> 01:20:01,350
you got the 40 bucks j well we'll strike

2061
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:03,199
a deal now is that a common occurrence

2062
01:20:06,390 --> 01:20:04,800
in a sense if one person sees it nobody

2063
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:06,400
else does no no no that is no that is

2064
01:20:09,590 --> 01:20:08,000
not a common occurrence usually if if

2065
01:20:10,790 --> 01:20:09,600
it's up there and one person sees it a

2066
01:20:13,110 --> 01:20:10,800
lot of people see it and we have

2067
01:20:15,590 --> 01:20:13,120
astronauts we have uh

2068
01:20:17,189 --> 01:20:15,600
politicians we have uh show business

2069
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:17,199
personalities people on every walk of

2070
01:20:20,950 --> 01:20:19,520
life now the experience that i'm dealing

2071
01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:20,960
with are people who have these abduction

2072
01:20:24,629 --> 01:20:22,800
experiences and i know it sounds funny

2073
01:20:26,790 --> 01:20:24,639
and it isn't funny because it's very

2074
01:20:28,550 --> 01:20:26,800
much as if they're in the position of a

2075
01:20:31,350 --> 01:20:28,560
kidnap victim and even a kind of a rape

2076
01:20:37,430 --> 01:20:34,149
so uh i'll i i just wanted to start with

2077
01:20:38,629 --> 01:20:37,440
i think that is um the epitome of uh

2078
01:20:41,669 --> 01:20:38,639
stigma

2079
01:20:44,629 --> 01:20:41,679
right there and how it's um put on to

2080
01:20:46,709 --> 01:20:44,639
people like you could see in i think his

2081
01:20:49,590 --> 01:20:46,719
name's gary right you could see in

2082
01:20:50,870 --> 01:20:49,600
gary's face like how serious

2083
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:50,880
he was

2084
01:20:53,270 --> 01:20:52,239
about it

2085
01:20:55,030 --> 01:20:53,280
um

2086
01:20:56,629 --> 01:20:55,040
and

2087
01:20:59,110 --> 01:20:56,639
you know how he's kind of perturbed by

2088
01:21:01,430 --> 01:20:59,120
it and then you have the funny guy

2089
01:21:03,189 --> 01:21:01,440
with the hat oh i've seen this i'm gonna

2090
01:21:04,950 --> 01:21:03,199
buy two books

2091
01:21:07,350 --> 01:21:04,960
you know and

2092
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:07,360
you know am i going too far into that

2093
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:10,239
maybe but i just saw like a perfect

2094
01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:12,880
example there of

2095
01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:15,760
of you know what this stuff looks like

2096
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:18,560
to people i think sometimes we don't

2097
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:21,920
realize how uh insular we can be

2098
01:21:26,310 --> 01:21:25,040
um in this community and what people on

2099
01:21:29,669 --> 01:21:26,320
the outside

2100
01:21:31,270 --> 01:21:29,679
um still think of this kind of thing and

2101
01:21:34,550 --> 01:21:31,280
you know for

2102
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:34,560
lack of a better way to um

2103
01:21:39,189 --> 01:21:36,960
you know say it i think that comedian or

2104
01:21:42,070 --> 01:21:39,199
whoever he has kind of kind of showed it

2105
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:42,080
perfectly unfortunately but i guess my

2106
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:44,080
question you know you say what you what

2107
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:46,480
you took from it but my question is how

2108
01:21:50,950 --> 01:21:48,560
do you get over that you know how do you

2109
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:50,960
bust through that

2110
01:21:54,470 --> 01:21:52,560
well i thought exactly what you thought

2111
01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:54,480
and i've never seen that clip um because

2112
01:21:59,270 --> 01:21:56,560
that's often the case even if you just

2113
01:22:00,870 --> 01:21:59,280
bring up the topic uh people think it's

2114
01:22:02,229 --> 01:22:00,880
funny or they'll be like oh well well

2115
01:22:03,750 --> 01:22:02,239
this has happened

2116
01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:03,760
you know um i know you don't want to

2117
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:05,120
talk about personal experiences but i

2118
01:22:09,830 --> 01:22:07,440
think it's relevant like i've been like

2119
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:09,840
even like people close to me i'm like oh

2120
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:11,280
well you should ask her

2121
01:22:14,709 --> 01:22:13,679
about her thoughts on ufos

2122
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:14,719
and then

2123
01:22:19,110 --> 01:22:17,199
uh i will tell people what i seriously

2124
01:22:20,390 --> 01:22:19,120
think and then it ends up being a joke

2125
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:20,400
and then there's always the one the

2126
01:22:23,590 --> 01:22:21,440
couple people that come to you after

2127
01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:23,600
like really they believe you but

2128
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:26,159
that is exactly what happens

2129
01:22:29,830 --> 01:22:28,000
in most cases when you bring up the

2130
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:29,840
topic can you and that doesn't even

2131
01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:31,600
include bringing up an experience that

2132
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:42,550
yeah that's very true muhammad ali

2133
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:45,840
appeared on several late night shows

2134
01:22:52,149 --> 01:22:49,199
and talked about sightings he had had he

2135
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:52,159
was a um an experiencer

2136
01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:54,000
with ufos

2137
01:22:56,070 --> 01:22:54,880
and

2138
01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:56,080
he was

2139
01:23:01,270 --> 01:22:58,800
people were like more in shock when he

2140
01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:01,280
said it and then just kind of ignored

2141
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:03,440
the comments and kept one with the

2142
01:23:07,750 --> 01:23:05,280
conversation because

2143
01:23:09,270 --> 01:23:07,760
they were so uncomfortable about the

2144
01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:09,280
topic

2145
01:23:12,390 --> 01:23:10,960
but yeah

2146
01:23:15,990 --> 01:23:12,400
um

2147
01:23:18,709 --> 01:23:16,000
you know you ca it's very difficult

2148
01:23:22,709 --> 01:23:20,950
bring it up

2149
01:23:25,030 --> 01:23:22,719
without

2150
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:25,040
you know it's a discomfort

2151
01:23:29,510 --> 01:23:28,080
factor for some and so then they turn it

2152
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:29,520
into a joke

2153
01:23:36,629 --> 01:23:33,199
yes and so even if it's not something

2154
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:36,639
that they believe or they don't believe

2155
01:23:40,070 --> 01:23:38,320
the public's

2156
01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:40,080
stigma with it

2157
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:43,920
you know pushes the joke

2158
01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:45,280
yeah i

2159
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:47,520
i agree with both priscilla and linda

2160
01:23:50,950 --> 01:23:49,360
here and like i

2161
01:23:53,830 --> 01:23:50,960
i really

2162
01:23:54,550 --> 01:23:53,840
enjoy bud hopkins work here i've got my

2163
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:54,560
uh

2164
01:23:57,910 --> 01:23:56,639
my first edition copy of missing time

2165
01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:57,920
here you know

2166
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:00,080
and i i um

2167
01:24:05,430 --> 01:24:02,800
even got his autobiography here

2168
01:24:06,310 --> 01:24:05,440
i love bud hopkins and the the thing

2169
01:24:07,990 --> 01:24:06,320
about

2170
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:08,000
bud you know eve

2171
01:24:12,070 --> 01:24:10,320
a he's so well prepared

2172
01:24:13,270 --> 01:24:12,080
look how unflappable he was in that

2173
01:24:15,270 --> 01:24:13,280
situation

2174
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:15,280
and the fact that he had one of the

2175
01:24:19,830 --> 01:24:17,440
biggest stars on tv gary coleman at the

2176
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:19,840
time sitting there talking about this

2177
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:20,800
stuff

2178
01:24:24,950 --> 01:24:22,639
and everybody else

2179
01:24:26,310 --> 01:24:24,960
playing it up for laughs and he was able

2180
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:26,320
to

2181
01:24:33,669 --> 01:24:31,280
end and say no this is closer this is

2182
01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:33,679
close to you know abduction we're

2183
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:35,120
talking about

2184
01:24:42,629 --> 01:24:39,840
something close to rape and i i think

2185
01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:42,639
that him being able to to

2186
01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:44,880
be that assertive and being that

2187
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:48,239
demonstrative and saying and trying to

2188
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:50,239
and in a way i think that that was also

2189
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:52,560
him trying to to bolster what gary was

2190
01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:54,480
just talking about which is which is

2191
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:56,159
just like no this is actually super

2192
01:25:01,590 --> 01:24:59,280
serious this is real and it's this is

2193
01:25:03,189 --> 01:25:01,600
not a laughing matter and even then at

2194
01:25:05,030 --> 01:25:03,199
the same time

2195
01:25:07,350 --> 01:25:05,040
you know the host said

2196
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:07,360
is this does this happen sometimes where

2197
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:09,520
one person sees it and somebody else

2198
01:25:14,950 --> 01:25:12,400
doesn't and that absolutely happens that

2199
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:14,960
absolutely happens all the time

2200
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:17,520
and and the and

2201
01:25:21,669 --> 01:25:20,320
in watching this part of my frustration

2202
01:25:22,709 --> 01:25:21,679
is

2203
01:25:35,430 --> 01:25:22,719
in

2204
01:25:38,950 --> 01:25:35,440
of course and

2205
01:25:41,590 --> 01:25:38,960
the idea of and even now if you were say

2206
01:25:43,750 --> 01:25:41,600
on on cable television or whatever you'd

2207
01:25:46,629 --> 01:25:43,760
probably be butting up against the idea

2208
01:25:48,310 --> 01:25:46,639
of of people cognitively not you know

2209
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:48,320
not necessarily understanding the

2210
01:25:53,430 --> 01:25:50,880
cognitive implications of one person

2211
01:25:55,030 --> 01:25:53,440
seeing something and one person not but

2212
01:25:56,950 --> 01:25:55,040
that's but that's an important part of

2213
01:25:57,830 --> 01:25:56,960
the phenomena and so

2214
01:26:01,270 --> 01:25:57,840
you know

2215
01:26:04,229 --> 01:26:01,280
um

2216
01:26:06,149 --> 01:26:04,239
one of the one of the sad parts and one

2217
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:06,159
of the frustrations of where we were 40

2218
01:26:09,510 --> 01:26:08,639
years ago versus where are we right now

2219
01:26:11,669 --> 01:26:09,520
yeah

2220
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:11,679
it's a great point

2221
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:12,480
like

2222
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:14,400
maybe it was just me and i just want to

2223
01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:15,440
bring this

2224
01:26:19,430 --> 01:26:18,560
point up because i think it's a good one

2225
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:19,440
you know

2226
01:26:23,590 --> 01:26:21,600
um or here it is

2227
01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:23,600
it's i don't think it necessarily short

2228
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:27,840
sigma it's a joke joke and yeah you know

2229
01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:30,480
i i don't disagree with that but

2230
01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:33,040
it's uh when i

2231
01:26:37,590 --> 01:26:35,040
when you look at gary coleman's face in

2232
01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:37,600
the frustration he had in it when he was

2233
01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:38,960
telling this

2234
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:41,280
um even though it wasn't meant

2235
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:43,520
as harm like they didn't mean to hurt

2236
01:26:48,070 --> 01:26:45,520
him or you know

2237
01:26:49,910 --> 01:26:48,080
you know cast him aside and

2238
01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:49,920
make fun of him and put him on the

2239
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:51,840
spotlight as a weirdo

2240
01:26:54,870 --> 01:26:53,920
they were just doing them you know what

2241
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:54,880
they do

2242
01:26:59,590 --> 01:26:56,639
um but

2243
01:27:02,149 --> 01:26:59,600
you know that person gary you know had

2244
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:02,159
pain in his heart and

2245
01:27:06,070 --> 01:27:04,560
he was bringing sup and who knows that

2246
01:27:08,070 --> 01:27:06,080
could have been maybe his only

2247
01:27:09,510 --> 01:27:08,080
opportunity to bring it up to somebody

2248
01:27:11,430 --> 01:27:09,520
that would have listened

2249
01:27:14,229 --> 01:27:11,440
i mean and that's kind of what it turns

2250
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:14,239
out to is is the the jokes kind of take

2251
01:27:17,590 --> 01:27:16,320
over the

2252
01:27:20,550 --> 01:27:17,600
the actual

2253
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:20,560
you know curiosity for for what he saw

2254
01:27:22,629 --> 01:27:21,360
and

2255
01:27:24,470 --> 01:27:22,639
you know i think

2256
01:27:26,470 --> 01:27:24,480
that's kind of what i saw in that clip

2257
01:27:28,550 --> 01:27:26,480
and it kind of broke my heart but i see

2258
01:27:31,430 --> 01:27:28,560
that all the time you know

2259
01:27:32,709 --> 01:27:31,440
and especially on twitter is is you just

2260
01:27:33,669 --> 01:27:32,719
don't know

2261
01:27:35,350 --> 01:27:33,679
um

2262
01:27:37,110 --> 01:27:35,360
i guess what other people are going

2263
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:37,120
through and

2264
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:38,639
you know sometimes

2265
01:27:43,750 --> 01:27:41,280
a joke is a joke to you and everybody

2266
01:27:45,430 --> 01:27:43,760
else and it's not even

2267
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:45,440
intentionally

2268
01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:46,400
meant to

2269
01:27:50,790 --> 01:27:49,840
to harm anybody but it still can

2270
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:50,800
you know

2271
01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:54,000
um and i i just think we'd be better

2272
01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:56,800
enough to be cognizant of that as as you

2273
01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:59,120
know easier said than it is done

2274
01:28:03,189 --> 01:28:00,400
sometimes

2275
01:28:05,830 --> 01:28:03,199
so that's what i got from that clip yeah

2276
01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:05,840
but you are correct um and what what he

2277
01:28:09,350 --> 01:28:07,360
brought up you know when he brought it

2278
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:09,360
back to like no this is serious

2279
01:28:13,030 --> 01:28:11,040
uh people

2280
01:28:16,229 --> 01:28:13,040
even so just even if you don't believe

2281
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,239
it you have to imagine being that person

2282
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:18,400
he said it's almost like rape in some

2283
01:28:24,709 --> 01:28:21,920
experiences um there is um

2284
01:28:26,950 --> 01:28:24,719
there is you know violations occurring

2285
01:28:29,910 --> 01:28:26,960
of the body so

2286
01:28:31,590 --> 01:28:29,920
people have to realize that even if this

2287
01:28:34,709 --> 01:28:31,600
person is having a delusion they believe

2288
01:28:36,870 --> 01:28:34,719
it that much it's very violating to be

2289
01:28:39,270 --> 01:28:36,880
to believe that you were taken

2290
01:28:40,629 --> 01:28:39,280
from the safety of your own bed while

2291
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:40,639
you were sleeping you're supposed to

2292
01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:43,440
just be resting and then you wake up

2293
01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:45,199
some people wake up somewhere else some

2294
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:47,520
people wake up um like i said with the

2295
01:28:51,110 --> 01:28:49,760
marks some people wake up just terrified

2296
01:28:53,110 --> 01:28:51,120
some people don't want to go back to

2297
01:28:53,910 --> 01:28:53,120
sleep for months after that's happened

2298
01:28:55,669 --> 01:28:53,920
so

2299
01:28:57,350 --> 01:28:55,679
for anybody to joke about it i get what

2300
01:28:59,189 --> 01:28:57,360
curious george is saying like a joke is

2301
01:29:01,189 --> 01:28:59,199
a joke like i have like a very dry sense

2302
01:29:02,870 --> 01:29:01,199
of humor but like you said in gary's

2303
01:29:04,070 --> 01:29:02,880
face like how do we know there's not

2304
01:29:05,189 --> 01:29:04,080
more to the story maybe something

2305
01:29:07,270 --> 01:29:05,199
happened to him that night and now he's

2306
01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:07,280
never gonna talk about it so i think

2307
01:29:11,590 --> 01:29:09,600
that yes it's a joke it's a tonight show

2308
01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:11,600
but i really hope that he was able to

2309
01:29:14,229 --> 01:29:12,960
talk to somebody else about that because

2310
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:14,239
so many people

2311
01:29:17,350 --> 01:29:16,320
just they feel and then they feel like

2312
01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:17,360
they're going crazy you're the only one

2313
01:29:20,790 --> 01:29:18,480
that saw it

2314
01:29:22,790 --> 01:29:20,800
oh cool so i am crazy i'm the only one

2315
01:29:24,550 --> 01:29:22,800
that saw it um i better keep it to

2316
01:29:26,310 --> 01:29:24,560
myself now because

2317
01:29:27,350 --> 01:29:26,320
you know i'm going to get committed or

2318
01:29:29,669 --> 01:29:27,360
you know

2319
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:29,679
it's just i'm a mom so if i see

2320
01:29:32,310 --> 01:29:30,960
something i'm afraid to say something

2321
01:29:33,750 --> 01:29:32,320
because they'll be like oh well you're a

2322
01:29:35,270 --> 01:29:33,760
mom and you're crazy let's lock her up

2323
01:29:36,790 --> 01:29:35,280
yeah i know that's like slippery slope

2324
01:29:40,229 --> 01:29:36,800
but it's real things that people are

2325
01:29:44,470 --> 01:29:42,149
yeah

2326
01:29:49,350 --> 01:29:46,629
that's i guess you know that's all i

2327
01:29:53,910 --> 01:29:49,360
kind of took from that but

2328
01:29:56,310 --> 01:29:54,709
that

2329
01:29:58,709 --> 01:29:56,320
people just

2330
01:30:01,430 --> 01:29:58,719
take a second to see the person and not

2331
01:30:03,270 --> 01:30:01,440
the experience sometimes you know that

2332
01:30:04,229 --> 01:30:03,280
there's a real person

2333
01:30:07,189 --> 01:30:04,239
that

2334
01:30:09,110 --> 01:30:07,199
is is talking and feeling um some pretty

2335
01:30:11,030 --> 01:30:09,120
hard things and they're trying to deal

2336
01:30:14,390 --> 01:30:11,040
with some pretty tough stuff

2337
01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:14,400
uh internally um and even if people yeah

2338
01:30:19,350 --> 01:30:16,480
don't don't mean to be harmful

2339
01:30:21,270 --> 01:30:19,360
um they can be and you know a part of

2340
01:30:24,470 --> 01:30:21,280
that even happens within our own

2341
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:24,480
community there's you know it's

2342
01:30:27,110 --> 01:30:25,440
it's

2343
01:30:29,510 --> 01:30:27,120
somewhat ridiculous

2344
01:30:32,390 --> 01:30:29,520
you know when i think about the the

2345
01:30:35,030 --> 01:30:32,400
stigma that we put on each other in the

2346
01:30:36,390 --> 01:30:35,040
ufo community

2347
01:30:38,709 --> 01:30:36,400
which is

2348
01:30:39,590 --> 01:30:38,719
you know a nuts and bolts versus stigma

2349
01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:39,600
or

2350
01:30:45,270 --> 01:30:42,320
um you know like let's say you know i

2351
01:30:47,430 --> 01:30:45,280
can't do anything with something unless

2352
01:30:49,750 --> 01:30:47,440
it you know proves something to the

2353
01:30:51,590 --> 01:30:49,760
government so they're truthful well how

2354
01:30:54,390 --> 01:30:51,600
do we even know that the government

2355
01:30:55,990 --> 01:30:54,400
knows what the truth is

2356
01:30:56,950 --> 01:30:56,000
you know right

2357
01:30:58,870 --> 01:30:56,960
and

2358
01:31:01,990 --> 01:30:58,880
go ahead keep going no it's just good to

2359
01:31:04,629 --> 01:31:02,000
say uh but one thing that um

2360
01:31:07,189 --> 01:31:04,639
bud hopkins uh was saying a clip that i

2361
01:31:08,149 --> 01:31:07,199
watched of them earlier today was

2362
01:31:09,510 --> 01:31:08,159
um

2363
01:31:11,910 --> 01:31:09,520
you know

2364
01:31:14,229 --> 01:31:11,920
if if they don't know what the truth is

2365
01:31:15,990 --> 01:31:14,239
let's let's just say and and i

2366
01:31:17,110 --> 01:31:16,000
personally don't think that they really

2367
01:31:22,149 --> 01:31:17,120
do

2368
01:31:24,470 --> 01:31:22,159
then tell people that there's things

2369
01:31:26,709 --> 01:31:24,480
flying around the sky taking people up

2370
01:31:29,270 --> 01:31:26,719
doing sexual things to them and we can't

2371
01:31:31,350 --> 01:31:29,280
really do anything about it so you know

2372
01:31:33,110 --> 01:31:31,360
if they communicate with us um you know

2373
01:31:35,669 --> 01:31:33,120
we'll give you an update but until then

2374
01:31:38,709 --> 01:31:35,679
good luck you know it get that would

2375
01:31:40,470 --> 01:31:38,719
cause you know kind of a hysteria

2376
01:31:42,310 --> 01:31:40,480
situation

2377
01:31:46,709 --> 01:31:42,320
so

2378
01:31:49,350 --> 01:31:46,719
i i agree with you and i think that

2379
01:31:51,430 --> 01:31:49,360
there's there's

2380
01:31:54,310 --> 01:31:51,440
very very much so i i agree with

2381
01:31:57,430 --> 01:31:54,320
everybody in the stream yard room i i

2382
01:31:58,629 --> 01:31:57,440
there's there's so much within the the

2383
01:31:59,750 --> 01:31:58,639
concept

2384
01:32:07,910 --> 01:31:59,760
of

2385
01:32:09,669 --> 01:32:07,920
bringing up bud hopkins that's that's

2386
01:32:11,590 --> 01:32:09,679
very much the center point for what he

2387
01:32:12,390 --> 01:32:11,600
was looking at as well as john mack

2388
01:32:13,350 --> 01:32:12,400
right

2389
01:32:17,350 --> 01:32:13,360
and

2390
01:32:19,590 --> 01:32:17,360
some ways

2391
01:32:21,350 --> 01:32:19,600
we can thank our lucky stars that some

2392
01:32:22,870 --> 01:32:21,360
people in

2393
01:32:23,669 --> 01:32:22,880
popular culture

2394
01:32:24,830 --> 01:32:23,679
or

2395
01:32:28,229 --> 01:32:24,840
even within

2396
01:32:30,550 --> 01:32:28,239
ufology um maybe it's okay that some of

2397
01:32:31,750 --> 01:32:30,560
those people haven't taken that

2398
01:32:33,430 --> 01:32:31,760
to heart

2399
01:32:36,390 --> 01:32:33,440
because if they had maybe they would

2400
01:32:38,629 --> 01:32:36,400
have like a tank in their backyard

2401
01:32:42,390 --> 01:32:38,639
you know the idea of of

2402
01:32:44,790 --> 01:32:42,400
like how far people can go when they

2403
01:32:46,629 --> 01:32:44,800
when they are faced with the reality of

2404
01:32:48,790 --> 01:32:46,639
of a situation where

2405
01:32:49,910 --> 01:32:48,800
they believe in

2406
01:32:51,270 --> 01:32:49,920
this

2407
01:32:53,750 --> 01:32:51,280
security

2408
01:32:55,030 --> 01:32:53,760
state within the the idea of the

2409
01:32:55,910 --> 01:32:55,040
situation

2410
01:32:59,910 --> 01:32:55,920
and

2411
01:33:02,070 --> 01:32:59,920
i i i don't i i try to stay pretty

2412
01:33:03,910 --> 01:33:02,080
apolitical within regard to the

2413
01:33:06,390 --> 01:33:03,920
experiencer group and things like that

2414
01:33:09,270 --> 01:33:06,400
um because there's so many conversations

2415
01:33:10,709 --> 01:33:09,280
like this that need to happen and then

2416
01:33:12,310 --> 01:33:10,719
and that

2417
01:33:15,270 --> 01:33:12,320
that doesn't even need to necessarily

2418
01:33:17,510 --> 01:33:15,280
rank into things but in other situations

2419
01:33:19,669 --> 01:33:17,520
like with the idea of of bringing up

2420
01:33:21,750 --> 01:33:19,679
abduction it absolutely does have

2421
01:33:24,229 --> 01:33:21,760
political implications because we've

2422
01:33:26,790 --> 01:33:24,239
been we've been told for years that like

2423
01:33:29,189 --> 01:33:26,800
oh you know other every other country

2424
01:33:31,189 --> 01:33:29,199
can afford they can afford free health

2425
01:33:32,470 --> 01:33:31,199
care but we can't because we have the

2426
01:33:34,950 --> 01:33:32,480
most and

2427
01:33:36,790 --> 01:33:34,960
we have the most dominant military in

2428
01:33:39,590 --> 01:33:36,800
the whole world and you guys are all

2429
01:33:41,510 --> 01:33:39,600
protected forever we promise

2430
01:33:43,990 --> 01:33:41,520
or whatever well what if that was

2431
01:33:46,229 --> 01:33:44,000
fundamentally completely untrue

2432
01:33:48,470 --> 01:33:46,239
right what if that has always been

2433
01:33:50,629 --> 01:33:48,480
fundamentally completely untrue what do

2434
01:33:52,709 --> 01:33:50,639
you do then right what do you do then

2435
01:33:56,070 --> 01:33:52,719
what do you do when you say like oh my

2436
01:33:57,669 --> 01:33:56,080
my daughter my wife uh my father whoever

2437
01:33:59,750 --> 01:33:57,679
um they could just be swooped up in the

2438
01:34:02,870 --> 01:33:59,760
middle of the night i could too and then

2439
01:34:04,950 --> 01:34:02,880
and then brought back and and these and

2440
01:34:08,070 --> 01:34:04,960
these beings may be so technologically

2441
01:34:10,550 --> 01:34:08,080
advanced that they're really good at at

2442
01:34:12,870 --> 01:34:10,560
hiding at for for the most part in terms

2443
01:34:13,910 --> 01:34:12,880
of hiding themselves not perfect not

2444
01:34:15,910 --> 01:34:13,920
perfect by any stretch of the

2445
01:34:17,669 --> 01:34:15,920
imagination but when you think about it

2446
01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:17,679
people recently have brought up the idea

2447
01:34:21,669 --> 01:34:19,440
of the time travel hypothesis i

2448
01:34:23,669 --> 01:34:21,679
exo-academia and others frank milburn

2449
01:34:25,430 --> 01:34:23,679
others have have brought this idea up

2450
01:34:27,590 --> 01:34:25,440
recently and saying like oh intelligence

2451
01:34:29,669 --> 01:34:27,600
people are starting to talk about

2452
01:34:31,750 --> 01:34:29,679
this idea that there are two factions of

2453
01:34:33,590 --> 01:34:31,760
people from the future and one of them

2454
01:34:35,030 --> 01:34:33,600
is bad and one of them is good and

2455
01:34:37,189 --> 01:34:35,040
they're coming back

2456
01:34:38,070 --> 01:34:37,199
and that's what they're doing and it's

2457
01:34:39,750 --> 01:34:38,080
like

2458
01:34:41,750 --> 01:34:39,760
and here we go again

2459
01:34:43,590 --> 01:34:41,760
right here here we go again there's this

2460
01:34:47,189 --> 01:34:43,600
idea that that

2461
01:34:49,270 --> 01:34:47,199
it's and there may be something to to i

2462
01:34:51,189 --> 01:34:49,280
mean there certainly seems to be some

2463
01:34:53,430 --> 01:34:51,199
some something about the time space

2464
01:34:55,109 --> 01:34:53,440
continuum that that could be manipulated

2465
01:34:57,109 --> 01:34:55,119
that does seem to be something that that

2466
01:34:58,790 --> 01:34:57,119
could be in play for sure and at the

2467
01:35:00,550 --> 01:34:58,800
same time when i hear stuff like that i

2468
01:35:02,149 --> 01:35:00,560
think like god they're trying to turn

2469
01:35:04,310 --> 01:35:02,159
this into a football game aren't they

2470
01:35:06,229 --> 01:35:04,320
yes yes

2471
01:35:08,149 --> 01:35:06,239
more divisive culture happening just

2472
01:35:10,229 --> 01:35:08,159
divisiveness divisiveness this is good

2473
01:35:11,750 --> 01:35:10,239
this is bad maybe it's neither maybe

2474
01:35:13,350 --> 01:35:11,760
they're just doing their job if you

2475
01:35:15,510 --> 01:35:13,360
think about it even that way even if

2476
01:35:17,430 --> 01:35:15,520
they're from the future doing research

2477
01:35:19,350 --> 01:35:17,440
on us you know it's uh i don't think

2478
01:35:21,510 --> 01:35:19,360
that i think that people want things to

2479
01:35:23,830 --> 01:35:21,520
be like black and white and we obviously

2480
01:35:25,990 --> 01:35:23,840
know that's not the case yeah it's like

2481
01:35:28,790 --> 01:35:26,000
mankind's innate ability to make things

2482
01:35:31,590 --> 01:35:28,800
dark and light good versus bad and like

2483
01:35:33,430 --> 01:35:31,600
a movie you know when that's the exact

2484
01:35:37,030 --> 01:35:33,440
thing that i think we need to get away

2485
01:35:40,229 --> 01:35:37,040
from is you know anything that would be

2486
01:35:42,709 --> 01:35:40,239
able to come here and do the things that

2487
01:35:46,790 --> 01:35:42,719
have been done um

2488
01:35:50,390 --> 01:35:46,800
i the first thing you have i i think is

2489
01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:50,400
um i have to any preconceived notions of

2490
01:35:54,870 --> 01:35:52,960
human behavior that i instinctively want

2491
01:35:58,070 --> 01:35:54,880
to put on this i have to throw in the

2492
01:36:02,310 --> 01:36:01,189
you know and and that's not easy

2493
01:36:04,229 --> 01:36:02,320
but

2494
01:36:07,189 --> 01:36:04,239
you know what are the chances that it

2495
01:36:10,870 --> 01:36:07,199
has an emotion like love or hate when

2496
01:36:13,750 --> 01:36:10,880
most people who are abducted report no

2497
01:36:15,590 --> 01:36:13,760
feeling cold coldness

2498
01:36:16,950 --> 01:36:15,600
absolutely nothing

2499
01:36:18,390 --> 01:36:16,960
um

2500
01:36:20,470 --> 01:36:18,400
you know it doesn't mean that it doesn't

2501
01:36:22,070 --> 01:36:20,480
exist elsewhere in other beings or other

2502
01:36:25,590 --> 01:36:22,080
situations but

2503
01:36:27,830 --> 01:36:25,600
um you you really don't know what

2504
01:36:30,390 --> 01:36:27,840
they're doing here what the plan is you

2505
01:36:31,590 --> 01:36:30,400
know is there a plan is it a part of a

2506
01:36:33,750 --> 01:36:31,600
routine

2507
01:36:35,990 --> 01:36:33,760
you know is there a good or bad do they

2508
01:36:38,790 --> 01:36:36,000
even know what good or bad is you know

2509
01:36:40,870 --> 01:36:38,800
do they even know what physical you know

2510
01:36:43,350 --> 01:36:40,880
harassment or aggressive

2511
01:36:44,390 --> 01:36:43,360
aggressive behavior is

2512
01:36:56,070 --> 01:36:44,400
you know

2513
01:36:58,229 --> 01:36:56,080
for us to make things like priscilla

2514
01:37:00,149 --> 01:36:58,239
said black and white um because it makes

2515
01:37:03,510 --> 01:37:00,159
more sense to us but

2516
01:37:07,030 --> 01:37:03,520
um i think whatever makes sense to us is

2517
01:37:08,870 --> 01:37:07,040
probably not what it's to be

2518
01:37:11,030 --> 01:37:08,880
it all goes back to the concept of like

2519
01:37:13,030 --> 01:37:11,040
the cow thing right like we eat cows we

2520
01:37:14,629 --> 01:37:13,040
heard them we heard chickens and we're

2521
01:37:17,030 --> 01:37:14,639
just like oh well we're just doing it to

2522
01:37:18,470 --> 01:37:17,040
eat you know um how do people like oh

2523
01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:18,480
well chickens and cows don't feel we

2524
01:37:23,430 --> 01:37:20,800
don't know that what if we're just the

2525
01:37:26,870 --> 01:37:23,440
chickens and cows and they're doing work

2526
01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:28,790
absolutely i mean there could be you

2527
01:37:33,030 --> 01:37:30,719
know and and one thing that i i've

2528
01:37:35,669 --> 01:37:33,040
brought up

2529
01:37:37,189 --> 01:37:35,679
and and within the

2530
01:37:39,990 --> 01:37:37,199
confines of some of our meetings on the

2531
01:37:41,189 --> 01:37:40,000
experiencer group is is the idea that

2532
01:37:42,629 --> 01:37:41,199
you know if they're trying to tell us

2533
01:37:44,950 --> 01:37:42,639
that there's this good bad thing

2534
01:37:47,189 --> 01:37:44,960
happening you know and first of all

2535
01:37:49,030 --> 01:37:47,199
you know it's so the oversimplification

2536
01:37:50,390 --> 01:37:49,040
can be so ridiculous and maybe there's

2537
01:37:51,430 --> 01:37:50,400
some truth to some of this and at the

2538
01:37:52,950 --> 01:37:51,440
same time

2539
01:37:55,109 --> 01:37:52,960
when when you actually talk to

2540
01:37:57,350 --> 01:37:55,119
experiencers you you tend to get an

2541
01:38:00,070 --> 01:37:57,360
understanding that even that there are

2542
01:38:03,109 --> 01:38:00,080
there are some many situations that seem

2543
01:38:06,390 --> 01:38:03,119
very scary and very traumatic and and or

2544
01:38:08,870 --> 01:38:06,400
just bad just like not a good situation

2545
01:38:10,629 --> 01:38:08,880
at all and then you see a range you see

2546
01:38:13,910 --> 01:38:10,639
a range of people that have had great

2547
01:38:16,629 --> 01:38:13,920
experiences you have and you have even a

2548
01:38:18,790 --> 01:38:16,639
huge portion in the middle where you can

2549
01:38:21,350 --> 01:38:18,800
tell you're dealing with an advanced

2550
01:38:23,590 --> 01:38:21,360
entity an advanced being that has

2551
01:38:24,390 --> 01:38:23,600
complex motivations just like each of us

2552
01:38:27,270 --> 01:38:24,400
do

2553
01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:27,280
right and and have they have their own

2554
01:38:32,149 --> 01:38:29,440
they're they they're they're basically

2555
01:38:34,470 --> 01:38:32,159
doing their job right

2556
01:38:36,470 --> 01:38:34,480
like whatever they're doing and it's it

2557
01:38:39,030 --> 01:38:36,480
doesn't seem like this is a hobby

2558
01:38:40,070 --> 01:38:39,040
you know often often it seems like it's

2559
01:38:41,830 --> 01:38:40,080
not something they're doing on the

2560
01:38:43,669 --> 01:38:41,840
weekends like oh let's go to earth and

2561
01:38:44,870 --> 01:38:43,679
like you know just like picking people

2562
01:38:46,470 --> 01:38:44,880
up in the middle of the night it'll be

2563
01:38:48,310 --> 01:38:46,480
fun it'll be cool you know hopefully

2564
01:38:50,870 --> 01:38:48,320
their cigarette breaks i could say the

2565
01:38:53,590 --> 01:38:50,880
one thing john mack would say is that a

2566
01:38:55,750 --> 01:38:53,600
lot of people go and do uh like a shock

2567
01:38:58,870 --> 01:38:55,760
when it happens or whatever

2568
01:39:01,109 --> 01:38:58,880
um but then he also talks about people

2569
01:39:03,350 --> 01:39:01,119
who are a lot farther along in their

2570
01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:03,360
experience life and it turns into

2571
01:39:09,109 --> 01:39:06,400
something else so

2572
01:39:10,310 --> 01:39:09,119
absolutely um i don't know if anybody

2573
01:39:13,189 --> 01:39:10,320
else would

2574
01:39:15,510 --> 01:39:13,199
i i hope somebody else has has

2575
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:15,520
has a great take on this i think that

2576
01:39:18,870 --> 01:39:17,520
there's that there's there's so much

2577
01:39:21,270 --> 01:39:18,880
personal growth that happens through

2578
01:39:23,830 --> 01:39:21,280
these situations whether it's intended

2579
01:39:26,790 --> 01:39:23,840
by these other intelligences or not

2580
01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:26,800
you know and so you can even take like

2581
01:39:30,310 --> 01:39:28,560
something that can be an enormously

2582
01:39:32,470 --> 01:39:30,320
difficult situation i've talked to

2583
01:39:34,470 --> 01:39:32,480
people that have dealt with like

2584
01:39:36,870 --> 01:39:34,480
poltergeists or shadow beings or all

2585
01:39:38,870 --> 01:39:36,880
sorts of manners of things that that

2586
01:39:41,030 --> 01:39:38,880
that don't that really seem pretty

2587
01:39:43,189 --> 01:39:41,040
malicious and then they're able to

2588
01:39:44,470 --> 01:39:43,199
process that they're able to take it in

2589
01:39:45,510 --> 01:39:44,480
and over the course of years they're

2590
01:39:47,669 --> 01:39:45,520
able to

2591
01:39:50,550 --> 01:39:47,679
you know that the capacity of the human

2592
01:39:52,790 --> 01:39:50,560
brain to be able to make lemonade out of

2593
01:39:54,629 --> 01:39:52,800
lemons is is

2594
01:39:57,430 --> 01:39:54,639
absolutely incredible

2595
01:39:59,270 --> 01:39:57,440
and so there's there also seems to be

2596
01:40:01,030 --> 01:39:59,280
a little bit of mixing sometimes where

2597
01:40:04,470 --> 01:40:01,040
people

2598
01:40:07,109 --> 01:40:04,480
sometimes maybe want to ascribe

2599
01:40:09,109 --> 01:40:07,119
a growth moment

2600
01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:09,119
on the part of another intelligence that

2601
01:40:13,350 --> 01:40:11,280
isn't necessarily there

2602
01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:13,360
but sometimes it is

2603
01:40:17,590 --> 01:40:15,040
you know i think we're dealing with a

2604
01:40:19,750 --> 01:40:17,600
really vast and diverse cast of

2605
01:40:22,070 --> 01:40:19,760
characters is what it comes down to i'd

2606
01:40:24,310 --> 01:40:22,080
love to hear from linda on this one yeah

2607
01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:24,320
me too i'm having a

2608
01:40:29,590 --> 01:40:27,280
mouth shut on a lot of this

2609
01:40:30,629 --> 01:40:29,600
okay so i'm a lifer

2610
01:40:31,430 --> 01:40:30,639
um

2611
01:40:33,669 --> 01:40:31,440
my

2612
01:40:34,830 --> 01:40:33,679
granddaughter is fifth generation in

2613
01:40:38,070 --> 01:40:34,840
this

2614
01:40:41,590 --> 01:40:38,080
um i don't see

2615
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:41,600
a lot positive in it i have had

2616
01:40:45,590 --> 01:40:43,280
um

2617
01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:45,600
see the thing is

2618
01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:48,960
the positive that's there is also mixed

2619
01:40:52,870 --> 01:40:50,560
with the

2620
01:40:55,750 --> 01:40:52,880
terror or

2621
01:40:57,510 --> 01:40:55,760
shock and everything else and it takes

2622
01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:57,520
you a long time

2623
01:41:01,669 --> 01:40:59,840
i mean it's like you're

2624
01:41:03,990 --> 01:41:01,679
you have to find something good out of

2625
01:41:06,070 --> 01:41:04,000
everything you know that's part of

2626
01:41:08,310 --> 01:41:06,080
survival is that

2627
01:41:10,310 --> 01:41:08,320
you know if you're gonna transcend this

2628
01:41:12,950 --> 01:41:10,320
and you're gonna get on with your life

2629
01:41:16,390 --> 01:41:12,960
you have to find something good

2630
01:41:19,430 --> 01:41:16,400
and in my case that has been extremely

2631
01:41:22,709 --> 01:41:19,440
difficult with everything but you get to

2632
01:41:25,750 --> 01:41:22,719
that point so it's like on the free

2633
01:41:29,430 --> 01:41:25,760
survey and other surveys when they ask

2634
01:41:32,709 --> 01:41:29,440
you if you had to do this all over again

2635
01:41:33,669 --> 01:41:32,719
would you go through this again or would

2636
01:41:35,430 --> 01:41:33,679
you

2637
01:41:36,390 --> 01:41:35,440
say no

2638
01:41:37,189 --> 01:41:36,400
okay

2639
01:41:41,350 --> 01:41:37,199
well

2640
01:41:43,590 --> 01:41:41,360
on one level you would say absolutely no

2641
01:41:44,470 --> 01:41:43,600
but then for

2642
01:41:46,950 --> 01:41:44,480
you know

2643
01:41:47,830 --> 01:41:46,960
some possible healings

2644
01:41:48,709 --> 01:41:47,840
um

2645
01:41:49,830 --> 01:41:48,719
you know

2646
01:41:53,430 --> 01:41:49,840
the

2647
01:41:54,390 --> 01:41:53,440
different giftings that you receive

2648
01:41:56,390 --> 01:41:54,400
um

2649
01:41:58,470 --> 01:41:56,400
you know

2650
01:42:00,310 --> 01:41:58,480
different abilities that you wouldn't

2651
01:42:04,149 --> 01:42:00,320
have otherwise

2652
01:42:06,390 --> 01:42:04,159
um so it's a real mixed bag

2653
01:42:09,189 --> 01:42:06,400
and yes i do believe that there are

2654
01:42:10,070 --> 01:42:09,199
conflicting forces that

2655
01:42:11,270 --> 01:42:10,080
are

2656
01:42:13,189 --> 01:42:11,280
active

2657
01:42:14,550 --> 01:42:13,199
in different programs and different

2658
01:42:17,189 --> 01:42:14,560
agendas

2659
01:42:18,790 --> 01:42:17,199
and so it's not all simple

2660
01:42:21,109 --> 01:42:18,800
um

2661
01:42:24,070 --> 01:42:21,119
but those and that you can have like a

2662
01:42:27,350 --> 01:42:24,080
stockholm syndrome to an extent with

2663
01:42:28,629 --> 01:42:27,360
these experiences

2664
01:42:29,750 --> 01:42:28,639
so

2665
01:42:31,990 --> 01:42:29,760
um

2666
01:42:35,430 --> 01:42:32,000
somebody just commented that right it at

2667
01:42:37,430 --> 01:42:35,440
the same time you said that

2668
01:42:39,510 --> 01:42:37,440
like literally that's crazy

2669
01:42:46,229 --> 01:42:39,520
yeah

2670
01:42:48,950 --> 01:42:46,239
personally um i'm very new to all of

2671
01:42:53,910 --> 01:42:48,960
this and i'm doing the best i can to

2672
01:42:57,669 --> 01:42:56,229
you know but i think it was george knapp

2673
01:42:59,350 --> 01:42:57,679
who said this for somebody else it's

2674
01:43:01,189 --> 01:42:59,360
like um if

2675
01:43:03,350 --> 01:43:01,199
you stare at the phenomenon it stares

2676
01:43:05,189 --> 01:43:03,360
right back at you and you know the more

2677
01:43:07,990 --> 01:43:05,199
you look into it the more confused you

2678
01:43:11,910 --> 01:43:10,870
you know um and sometimes i think that's

2679
01:43:12,709 --> 01:43:11,920
the case

2680
01:43:14,790 --> 01:43:12,719
um

2681
01:43:16,470 --> 01:43:14,800
and you know if there's anybody else out

2682
01:43:17,350 --> 01:43:16,480
there like me sometimes it makes you

2683
01:43:19,109 --> 01:43:17,360
want to

2684
01:43:20,950 --> 01:43:19,119
just throw your hands up and walk away

2685
01:43:24,470 --> 01:43:20,960
say i can't figure anything i don't know

2686
01:43:26,790 --> 01:43:24,480
what i'm doing you know but um you know

2687
01:43:29,109 --> 01:43:26,800
it's people like yourself and jay

2688
01:43:31,350 --> 01:43:29,119
priscilla sean it's it's the strength

2689
01:43:34,149 --> 01:43:31,360
that you guys show that you know gives

2690
01:43:37,030 --> 01:43:34,159
me the ability to to keep keep in and

2691
01:43:39,830 --> 01:43:37,040
keep thinking and keep being open and

2692
01:43:41,189 --> 01:43:39,840
trying to provide a space for people to

2693
01:43:43,189 --> 01:43:41,199
talk um

2694
01:43:47,109 --> 01:43:43,199
well that is one thing that's been

2695
01:43:49,189 --> 01:43:47,119
important with the experiencer group um

2696
01:43:51,910 --> 01:43:49,199
you know

2697
01:43:53,510 --> 01:43:51,920
we know people who have been through

2698
01:43:55,669 --> 01:43:53,520
this

2699
01:43:58,629 --> 01:43:55,679
for a long time

2700
01:44:02,149 --> 01:43:58,639
they end up alcoholic

2701
01:44:04,629 --> 01:44:02,159
drug abusers they end up dead

2702
01:44:06,790 --> 01:44:04,639
you know whether it's through the abuses

2703
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:06,800
or suicide

2704
01:44:12,070 --> 01:44:10,080
many or on multiple marriages

2705
01:44:15,109 --> 01:44:12,080
um you know

2706
01:44:17,350 --> 01:44:15,119
just you name it because you have to

2707
01:44:23,510 --> 01:44:17,360
walk a double life

2708
01:44:25,030 --> 01:44:23,520
in shadows or compartmental sections of

2709
01:44:26,950 --> 01:44:25,040
your life

2710
01:44:28,790 --> 01:44:26,960
you can't deal

2711
01:44:31,590 --> 01:44:28,800
with the public

2712
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:31,600
you can't have a regular job you can't

2713
01:44:34,550 --> 01:44:32,560
have

2714
01:44:36,790 --> 01:44:34,560
a regular anything

2715
01:44:40,790 --> 01:44:36,800
and so one thing with the experiencer

2716
01:44:43,910 --> 01:44:40,800
group is it gives people an opportunity

2717
01:44:45,830 --> 01:44:43,920
to voice those issues and to come out of

2718
01:44:48,790 --> 01:44:45,840
the shadows

2719
01:44:51,669 --> 01:44:48,800
and to learn more about yourself and

2720
01:44:58,229 --> 01:44:51,679
others and how to deal with this type of

2721
01:45:03,109 --> 01:45:00,790
yeah i i have to say like um

2722
01:45:05,990 --> 01:45:03,119
i had you know i don't want this turned

2723
01:45:07,270 --> 01:45:06,000
into a commercial or anything but

2724
01:45:09,990 --> 01:45:07,280
but um

2725
01:45:13,030 --> 01:45:10,000
you know it was very nice to not have to

2726
01:45:14,790 --> 01:45:13,040
i i literally said uh this i said

2727
01:45:17,109 --> 01:45:14,800
it's nice to not have to hold back

2728
01:45:19,350 --> 01:45:17,119
because some of the

2729
01:45:21,750 --> 01:45:19,360
the aspects of my experience like i

2730
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:21,760
wanted so and a couple times i've put it

2731
01:45:26,550 --> 01:45:24,000
on youtube and then i've taken it down

2732
01:45:27,669 --> 01:45:26,560
and the reason is because it involves

2733
01:45:30,870 --> 01:45:27,679
other

2734
01:45:32,790 --> 01:45:30,880
people in my life that and it's personal

2735
01:45:35,590 --> 01:45:32,800
to me and i don't want to upset anybody

2736
01:45:36,550 --> 01:45:35,600
that may not understand it you know

2737
01:45:37,750 --> 01:45:36,560
um

2738
01:45:40,229 --> 01:45:37,760
like

2739
01:45:43,270 --> 01:45:40,239
the other people that were really not

2740
01:45:46,629 --> 01:45:43,280
knowingly involved you know so you know

2741
01:45:48,870 --> 01:45:46,639
to have a place uh to go and and talk

2742
01:45:50,470 --> 01:45:48,880
about everything that happened

2743
01:45:52,709 --> 01:45:50,480
you know and how it happened and not

2744
01:45:55,910 --> 01:45:52,719
have to worry about

2745
01:45:57,669 --> 01:45:55,920
about that is is pretty huge

2746
01:45:59,270 --> 01:45:57,679
um because

2747
01:46:00,229 --> 01:45:59,280
it just feels like i'm unloading

2748
01:46:04,310 --> 01:46:00,239
something

2749
01:46:06,390 --> 01:46:04,320
uh that's attached inside you know

2750
01:46:10,629 --> 01:46:06,400
yeah

2751
01:46:13,109 --> 01:46:10,639
it's very heavy it's very heavy um

2752
01:46:14,550 --> 01:46:13,119
for people you know um i didn't realize

2753
01:46:15,669 --> 01:46:14,560
that there was a community for this i

2754
01:46:16,550 --> 01:46:15,679
just you know

2755
01:46:17,830 --> 01:46:16,560
i'm

2756
01:46:20,790 --> 01:46:17,840
i had my first experience with those

2757
01:46:22,629 --> 01:46:20,800
five i didn't realize this existed until

2758
01:46:23,830 --> 01:46:22,639
honestly this year so a lot of people

2759
01:46:27,189 --> 01:46:23,840
are still

2760
01:46:29,430 --> 01:46:27,199
um kind of in the shadows with this and

2761
01:46:31,270 --> 01:46:29,440
uh the fact that

2762
01:46:34,070 --> 01:46:31,280
i just think that you learn so much from

2763
01:46:36,390 --> 01:46:34,080
other experiencers um so

2764
01:46:38,470 --> 01:46:36,400
um and more lights kind of turn on the

2765
01:46:39,990 --> 01:46:38,480
more you hear because you can hear a lot

2766
01:46:41,430 --> 01:46:40,000
of people you know come to a lot of

2767
01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:41,440
people come to me with like all sorts of

2768
01:46:47,030 --> 01:46:44,159
experiences uh their dream experiences

2769
01:46:49,030 --> 01:46:47,040
even if it's just paranormal um the

2770
01:46:50,550 --> 01:46:49,040
shadow people with all sorts of things

2771
01:46:52,870 --> 01:46:50,560
um i'm here to hold space for people

2772
01:46:53,750 --> 01:46:52,880
that's like one calling i know that i'm

2773
01:46:55,669 --> 01:46:53,760
here for

2774
01:46:57,189 --> 01:46:55,679
but just hearing other people talk about

2775
01:46:58,310 --> 01:46:57,199
it being more open and meeting people

2776
01:47:00,229 --> 01:46:58,320
like sean said like he said he didn't

2777
01:47:02,070 --> 01:47:00,239
know what's going on or you know

2778
01:47:03,590 --> 01:47:02,080
it's uh there's a lot of people like

2779
01:47:05,669 --> 01:47:03,600
that there's a lot of people that have

2780
01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:05,679
been involved with this for

2781
01:47:11,590 --> 01:47:08,880
generations that don't know where to go

2782
01:47:13,189 --> 01:47:11,600
and uh we have to keep that space open

2783
01:47:14,310 --> 01:47:13,199
for people we have to hold it for them

2784
01:47:15,990 --> 01:47:14,320
because

2785
01:47:18,149 --> 01:47:16,000
like you said there's so many people

2786
01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:18,159
that are just like outcasts in their own

2787
01:47:22,870 --> 01:47:20,960
family they feel isolated they feel

2788
01:47:24,149 --> 01:47:22,880
crazy they don't know if it's real they

2789
01:47:25,669 --> 01:47:24,159
think it's real

2790
01:47:27,189 --> 01:47:25,679
and maybe part of them knows it's real

2791
01:47:28,709 --> 01:47:27,199
but then they're trying to kind of talk

2792
01:47:30,790 --> 01:47:28,719
themselves out of it like oh no maybe i

2793
01:47:33,189 --> 01:47:30,800
was just sleepwalking or no um it was

2794
01:47:35,590 --> 01:47:33,199
just you know i was really tired and i

2795
01:47:36,870 --> 01:47:35,600
had a really deep dream so thank you so

2796
01:47:38,790 --> 01:47:36,880
much for saying all that because i

2797
01:47:40,390 --> 01:47:38,800
didn't really um

2798
01:47:41,270 --> 01:47:40,400
this is one of the few times i've heard

2799
01:47:43,590 --> 01:47:41,280
people

2800
01:47:44,870 --> 01:47:43,600
um be so open about it

2801
01:47:47,109 --> 01:47:44,880
and i

2802
01:47:48,709 --> 01:47:47,119
it's it's crazy to me that this has been

2803
01:47:50,149 --> 01:47:48,719
here the whole time and i don't know so

2804
01:47:52,070 --> 01:47:50,159
i'm a little like dumbfounded by what

2805
01:47:53,590 --> 01:47:52,080
you said because um i think you were in

2806
01:47:56,310 --> 01:47:53,600
the chat when i was on that one time i

2807
01:47:59,990 --> 01:47:56,320
was addicted by aliens uh show

2808
01:48:01,590 --> 01:48:00,000
and that was scary telling people um

2809
01:48:03,350 --> 01:48:01,600
like something not so cool happened when

2810
01:48:05,350 --> 01:48:03,360
i was six you know

2811
01:48:06,709 --> 01:48:05,360
um it started as something fascinating

2812
01:48:08,149 --> 01:48:06,719
and then when you become like you i

2813
01:48:09,590 --> 01:48:08,159
didn't even know the term lifer was a

2814
01:48:11,350 --> 01:48:09,600
thing i haven't honestly i've stayed

2815
01:48:13,270 --> 01:48:11,360
away from it because i didn't really

2816
01:48:14,790 --> 01:48:13,280
know um

2817
01:48:16,149 --> 01:48:14,800
i didn't know what to read and who to

2818
01:48:17,830 --> 01:48:16,159
trust as far as the experience your

2819
01:48:19,910 --> 01:48:17,840
stuff goes so i fell back on the whole

2820
01:48:21,030 --> 01:48:19,920
nuts and bolts thing because it seems

2821
01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:21,040
simpler

2822
01:48:24,149 --> 01:48:22,560
and i think that's one of the reasons

2823
01:48:25,510 --> 01:48:24,159
people stayed at symbols too is because

2824
01:48:27,270 --> 01:48:25,520
it's simple

2825
01:48:28,790 --> 01:48:27,280
yep you get to experience your stuff

2826
01:48:30,310 --> 01:48:28,800
there's so many different types of

2827
01:48:33,189 --> 01:48:30,320
experiences there's so many different

2828
01:48:35,189 --> 01:48:33,199
types of beings and it's just

2829
01:48:36,950 --> 01:48:35,199
there's a lot of data to take in

2830
01:48:38,550 --> 01:48:36,960
and there's also not just the data but

2831
01:48:41,189 --> 01:48:38,560
the people as sean said like there's

2832
01:48:42,950 --> 01:48:41,199
people behind these experiences and

2833
01:48:44,229 --> 01:48:42,960
yeah it's just um you kind of blew my

2834
01:48:46,390 --> 01:48:44,239
mind with everything you've said right

2835
01:48:48,790 --> 01:48:46,400
now because even though i've known it

2836
01:48:51,189 --> 01:48:48,800
um having somebody say even what sean

2837
01:48:54,390 --> 01:48:51,199
just said too it's just like

2838
01:48:57,030 --> 01:48:54,400
you um i have a feeling of uh not being

2839
01:49:01,350 --> 01:48:57,040
so isolated now so thank you for paving

2840
01:49:03,030 --> 01:49:01,360
the way and and doing this first

2841
01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:03,040
well i don't know who you're talking to

2842
01:49:06,870 --> 01:49:04,960
for the thank you part but i'll give it

2843
01:49:09,510 --> 01:49:06,880
to everybody else

2844
01:49:11,270 --> 01:49:09,520
just to be fair

2845
01:49:12,229 --> 01:49:11,280
um

2846
01:49:13,750 --> 01:49:12,239
yeah

2847
01:49:15,589 --> 01:49:13,760
there's

2848
01:49:18,629 --> 01:49:15,599
you know i can say

2849
01:49:20,709 --> 01:49:18,639
that after my experience i had directly

2850
01:49:23,510 --> 01:49:20,719
went to

2851
01:49:26,149 --> 01:49:23,520
uh documents in trying to

2852
01:49:28,310 --> 01:49:26,159
almost first and i still do that

2853
01:49:32,149 --> 01:49:28,320
but really what i was trying to do was

2854
01:49:33,350 --> 01:49:32,159
prove to myself that i wasn't nuts

2855
01:49:35,669 --> 01:49:33,360
you know

2856
01:49:38,790 --> 01:49:35,679
like did this really happen to me how is

2857
01:49:41,270 --> 01:49:38,800
that possible how did all this happen

2858
01:49:43,430 --> 01:49:41,280
um well what can i do because i i can't

2859
01:49:45,430 --> 01:49:43,440
rely on other people to tell me things

2860
01:49:47,030 --> 01:49:45,440
because who do you trust i barely know

2861
01:49:48,070 --> 01:49:47,040
these people or this person or that

2862
01:49:49,750 --> 01:49:48,080
person

2863
01:49:52,149 --> 01:49:49,760
and some people are just trying to take

2864
01:49:54,629 --> 01:49:52,159
your money some people are just trying

2865
01:49:55,669 --> 01:49:54,639
to be like a lord and savior of the ufo

2866
01:49:58,310 --> 01:49:55,679
community

2867
01:50:00,229 --> 01:49:58,320
some people are doing good stuff but

2868
01:50:01,350 --> 01:50:00,239
also are doing bad stuff you know what

2869
01:50:02,310 --> 01:50:01,360
do you do

2870
01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:02,320
um

2871
01:50:06,229 --> 01:50:04,080
all i knew to do was

2872
01:50:08,070 --> 01:50:06,239
do something for myself

2873
01:50:11,030 --> 01:50:08,080
you know and that's the only thing i

2874
01:50:13,750 --> 01:50:11,040
could trust that was so i

2875
01:50:15,750 --> 01:50:13,760
did that and i did find a truth in that

2876
01:50:19,669 --> 01:50:15,760
and i didn't find ships and i didn't

2877
01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:19,679
find aliens but i found that a for sure

2878
01:50:25,669 --> 01:50:22,880
phenomenon that has confused even our

2879
01:50:28,229 --> 01:50:25,679
government since the 40s

2880
01:50:29,270 --> 01:50:28,239
you know and some of the answers they

2881
01:50:31,189 --> 01:50:29,280
give now

2882
01:50:34,790 --> 01:50:31,199
you look at some of these documents and

2883
01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:34,800
they're almost like word for word

2884
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:35,840
you know

2885
01:50:40,470 --> 01:50:36,800
um

2886
01:50:43,109 --> 01:50:40,480
and so and i find that very interesting

2887
01:50:45,430 --> 01:50:43,119
because everyone just assumes that the

2888
01:50:48,070 --> 01:50:45,440
almighty powerful government will have

2889
01:50:50,390 --> 01:50:48,080
the answers and they must be lying to us

2890
01:50:52,229 --> 01:50:50,400
but they also forget that they are

2891
01:50:54,709 --> 01:50:52,239
people too and there are people that

2892
01:50:56,709 --> 01:50:54,719
lead the positions and new ones come in

2893
01:50:59,189 --> 01:50:56,719
and it's not the same

2894
01:51:01,270 --> 01:50:59,199
you know lord masters of the truth since

2895
01:51:03,350 --> 01:51:01,280
47 that have been here just holding it

2896
01:51:07,189 --> 01:51:03,360
over your head the whole time you know

2897
01:51:09,270 --> 01:51:07,199
it's um there's a lot more going on

2898
01:51:12,310 --> 01:51:09,280
and you know when i read those documents

2899
01:51:15,750 --> 01:51:12,320
and experiences the pilots go through or

2900
01:51:18,229 --> 01:51:15,760
or civilians too um

2901
01:51:21,030 --> 01:51:18,239
they're intense and

2902
01:51:24,870 --> 01:51:21,040
there is way too many of them

2903
01:51:26,870 --> 01:51:24,880
um for there not to be a misunderstood

2904
01:51:29,270 --> 01:51:26,880
and unknown phenomenon that is currently

2905
01:51:31,189 --> 01:51:29,280
present you know and i found that truth

2906
01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:31,199
doing that um

2907
01:51:36,470 --> 01:51:32,560
but

2908
01:51:38,950 --> 01:51:36,480
i also realized after doing that um i'm

2909
01:51:41,350 --> 01:51:38,960
a little fearful of going into the

2910
01:51:42,629 --> 01:51:41,360
consciousness aspect and the meditation

2911
01:51:43,589 --> 01:51:42,639
aspect and

2912
01:51:45,510 --> 01:51:43,599
um

2913
01:51:47,830 --> 01:51:45,520
will i have more experiences what will

2914
01:51:49,830 --> 01:51:47,840
those look like you know

2915
01:51:51,830 --> 01:51:49,840
will i lose myself how do i stay

2916
01:51:53,189 --> 01:51:51,840
grounded you know all that stuff runs

2917
01:51:54,629 --> 01:51:53,199
through my mind

2918
01:51:57,430 --> 01:51:54,639
you know um

2919
01:51:59,350 --> 01:51:57,440
so yeah just wanted to say that

2920
01:52:02,470 --> 01:51:59,360
i i think that those are all very

2921
01:52:04,790 --> 01:52:02,480
important questions as well and i think

2922
01:52:06,310 --> 01:52:04,800
i said i think that those are some of

2923
01:52:08,629 --> 01:52:06,320
the most central questions we could

2924
01:52:09,669 --> 01:52:08,639
possibly have how do we stay grounded

2925
01:52:11,510 --> 01:52:09,679
how do we

2926
01:52:12,629 --> 01:52:11,520
keep

2927
01:52:15,030 --> 01:52:12,639
centered

2928
01:52:18,149 --> 01:52:15,040
uh to ourselves uh

2929
01:52:19,030 --> 01:52:18,159
how do we how do we look through the fog

2930
01:52:24,870 --> 01:52:19,040
of

2931
01:52:27,350 --> 01:52:24,880
disinformation or whatever and this

2932
01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:27,360
isn't i mean one of the wild things

2933
01:52:30,470 --> 01:52:28,320
about

2934
01:52:33,750 --> 01:52:30,480
as we go further with this stuff is that

2935
01:52:36,229 --> 01:52:33,760
that it's not just experiencers that

2936
01:52:38,550 --> 01:52:36,239
that that

2937
01:52:40,870 --> 01:52:38,560
can or should be dealing with those

2938
01:52:44,070 --> 01:52:40,880
questions like every this is this stuff

2939
01:52:47,270 --> 01:52:44,080
is so baked into at least in in my

2940
01:52:50,550 --> 01:52:47,280
opinion and i think in reality

2941
01:52:52,550 --> 01:52:50,560
we're talking about as a wider reality

2942
01:52:54,470 --> 01:52:52,560
we're talking about stuff that's really

2943
01:52:57,750 --> 01:52:54,480
baked into the fabric

2944
01:53:00,149 --> 01:52:57,760
of our reality or a reality whether we

2945
01:53:01,990 --> 01:53:00,159
want to acknowledge it or not right

2946
01:53:04,950 --> 01:53:02,000
and and

2947
01:53:07,109 --> 01:53:04,960
i i completely comport with i i

2948
01:53:09,350 --> 01:53:07,119
completely agree with priscilla and

2949
01:53:11,669 --> 01:53:09,360
linda and sean in terms of

2950
01:53:13,589 --> 01:53:11,679
being an experiencer and then running

2951
01:53:15,910 --> 01:53:13,599
towards the documents and running to try

2952
01:53:18,870 --> 01:53:15,920
to find some pdf that will tell me that

2953
01:53:20,629 --> 01:53:18,880
i'm not crazy right and like we've all

2954
01:53:23,990 --> 01:53:20,639
done it priscilla was just talking about

2955
01:53:25,910 --> 01:53:24,000
it linda linda does does does her own

2956
01:53:28,310 --> 01:53:25,920
document finding and she helps with

2957
01:53:30,070 --> 01:53:28,320
other researchers of course

2958
01:53:32,070 --> 01:53:30,080
we all know what sean has been doing in

2959
01:53:35,109 --> 01:53:32,080
terms of document finding that way and

2960
01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:35,119
processing them and i i got so far into

2961
01:53:39,910 --> 01:53:37,520
that that you know i started

2962
01:53:42,310 --> 01:53:39,920
that i found myself working for richard

2963
01:53:44,149 --> 01:53:42,320
dolan who's arguably the grand poobah of

2964
01:53:45,189 --> 01:53:44,159
nuts and bolts at this point you know

2965
01:53:49,109 --> 01:53:45,199
what i mean

2966
01:53:50,950 --> 01:53:49,119
and and it but what i found was and i i

2967
01:53:52,550 --> 01:53:50,960
deeply appreciate richard's work i

2968
01:53:54,629 --> 01:53:52,560
appreciate

2969
01:53:57,030 --> 01:53:54,639
the work of many nuts and bolts people

2970
01:53:58,709 --> 01:53:57,040
because it really takes everybody and it

2971
01:54:01,030 --> 01:53:58,719
takes it's like what we were talking

2972
01:54:03,750 --> 01:54:01,040
about before with demi lovato even that

2973
01:54:06,390 --> 01:54:03,760
that that coming together as a community

2974
01:54:08,950 --> 01:54:06,400
we need to to be approaching this from

2975
01:54:11,109 --> 01:54:08,960
so many different frameworks and world

2976
01:54:13,830 --> 01:54:11,119
views because that will give us the

2977
01:54:16,070 --> 01:54:13,840
expanded world view that will actually

2978
01:54:18,550 --> 01:54:16,080
maybe be able to embrace this whole

2979
01:54:21,430 --> 01:54:18,560
thing right that's a good point about

2980
01:54:24,470 --> 01:54:21,440
this may take it this takes everybody

2981
01:54:26,229 --> 01:54:24,480
because it does it it does take

2982
01:54:30,149 --> 01:54:26,239
everybody because

2983
01:54:32,709 --> 01:54:30,159
um you know people are individuals and

2984
01:54:34,870 --> 01:54:32,719
they have different skills and talents

2985
01:54:37,189 --> 01:54:34,880
that if they're all utilized to their

2986
01:54:37,990 --> 01:54:37,199
best of ability and you know left to

2987
01:54:40,550 --> 01:54:38,000
stay

2988
01:54:43,030 --> 01:54:40,560
in their lane and vice versa like uh we

2989
01:54:45,910 --> 01:54:43,040
would definitely get much farther and i

2990
01:54:48,310 --> 01:54:45,920
just wanted to add that in the documents

2991
01:54:51,189 --> 01:54:48,320
stuff in my document work it's

2992
01:54:52,629 --> 01:54:51,199
interesting how it is turned

2993
01:54:55,350 --> 01:54:52,639
from

2994
01:54:57,910 --> 01:54:55,360
uh finding truth for myself

2995
01:55:00,550 --> 01:54:57,920
to now trying to provide something

2996
01:55:01,430 --> 01:55:00,560
tangible to other people

2997
01:55:02,310 --> 01:55:01,440
you know

2998
01:55:05,350 --> 01:55:02,320
which

2999
01:55:07,910 --> 01:55:05,360
like the other sean out there that might

3000
01:55:10,310 --> 01:55:07,920
be looking for something that needs to

3001
01:55:12,870 --> 01:55:10,320
see that document to go holy crap i

3002
01:55:15,109 --> 01:55:12,880
can't believe it you know to to feel a

3003
01:55:17,430 --> 01:55:15,119
little better about themselves and what

3004
01:55:19,669 --> 01:55:17,440
they went through you know so i think

3005
01:55:20,950 --> 01:55:19,679
that's what linda does too correct me if

3006
01:55:21,910 --> 01:55:20,960
i'm wrong but

3007
01:55:23,830 --> 01:55:21,920
um

3008
01:55:26,070 --> 01:55:23,840
yeah so i

3009
01:55:27,990 --> 01:55:26,080
you're right it's it's like a whole a

3010
01:55:30,390 --> 01:55:28,000
whole approach to this

3011
01:55:32,790 --> 01:55:30,400
um is really positive and really good

3012
01:55:34,950 --> 01:55:32,800
because you know

3013
01:55:37,350 --> 01:55:34,960
that's that's all we can do is show

3014
01:55:39,669 --> 01:55:37,360
compassion for other people and try to

3015
01:55:42,629 --> 01:55:39,679
help whatever the answer is going to be

3016
01:55:43,750 --> 01:55:42,639
is in doing that for each other

3017
01:55:46,390 --> 01:55:43,760
yeah

3018
01:55:49,109 --> 01:55:46,400
and there's so many people that have

3019
01:55:51,189 --> 01:55:49,119
been in the military for

3020
01:55:54,709 --> 01:55:51,199
decades back

3021
01:55:56,229 --> 01:55:54,719
police officers pilots

3022
01:55:58,390 --> 01:55:56,239
um

3023
01:55:59,270 --> 01:55:58,400
you know you name it

3024
01:56:02,550 --> 01:55:59,280
that

3025
01:56:03,430 --> 01:56:02,560
have seen these and have experience with

3026
01:56:05,350 --> 01:56:03,440
them

3027
01:56:07,990 --> 01:56:05,360
and they've just have been under the

3028
01:56:11,430 --> 01:56:08,000
cover of don't tell

3029
01:56:15,669 --> 01:56:11,440
and so you have that big

3030
01:56:17,669 --> 01:56:15,679
group of people out there that once you

3031
01:56:19,990 --> 01:56:17,679
unleash them

3032
01:56:28,950 --> 01:56:20,000
you know there's going to be all those

3033
01:56:33,510 --> 01:56:29,830
yeah

3034
01:56:37,669 --> 01:56:35,669
i'd love to hear if priscilla has has

3035
01:56:40,070 --> 01:56:37,679
anything that she'd like to add to the

3036
01:56:41,990 --> 01:56:40,080
to this point of it

3037
01:56:43,669 --> 01:56:42,000
well i'm just kind of like taking it in

3038
01:56:45,589 --> 01:56:43,679
um i

3039
01:56:47,189 --> 01:56:45,599
i mean i just like i said this is kind

3040
01:56:49,350 --> 01:56:47,199
of like a new uh

3041
01:56:51,510 --> 01:56:49,360
it's i'm not new to the experiences i'm

3042
01:56:54,950 --> 01:56:51,520
not new to the whole um subject but i

3043
01:56:57,750 --> 01:56:54,960
didn't like i said i'm new to twitter

3044
01:56:59,430 --> 01:56:57,760
and i'm new to talking about this openly

3045
01:57:01,910 --> 01:56:59,440
because it was already hard enough for

3046
01:57:04,470 --> 01:57:01,920
me coming out being a witch let alone or

3047
01:57:06,390 --> 01:57:04,480
a spiritualist uh let alone being an

3048
01:57:07,510 --> 01:57:06,400
experiencer as well so

3049
01:57:09,589 --> 01:57:07,520
it's the same

3050
01:57:11,030 --> 01:57:09,599
i i like i don't know i just agree with

3051
01:57:12,390 --> 01:57:11,040
you guys and i'm listening because i

3052
01:57:14,709 --> 01:57:12,400
feel like you have been all you all have

3053
01:57:17,430 --> 01:57:14,719
been talking about it openly for so long

3054
01:57:19,270 --> 01:57:17,440
um and yes everybody goes down i'm gonna

3055
01:57:20,870 --> 01:57:19,280
find the facts and i still do believe

3056
01:57:22,070 --> 01:57:20,880
that the governments of the world need

3057
01:57:23,430 --> 01:57:22,080
to be held accountable for what they've

3058
01:57:26,629 --> 01:57:23,440
been keeping secret

3059
01:57:29,270 --> 01:57:26,639
um what they do know needs to be told if

3060
01:57:32,149 --> 01:57:29,280
um but yeah i just i'm on point with all

3061
01:57:34,390 --> 01:57:32,159
you guys i agree i just i'm kind of uh

3062
01:57:35,270 --> 01:57:34,400
taking it all in right now because

3063
01:57:37,109 --> 01:57:35,280
yeah

3064
01:57:38,629 --> 01:57:37,119
it's i've seen spirits i've seen ghosts

3065
01:57:40,629 --> 01:57:38,639
and now i'm like do i tell people i've

3066
01:57:43,430 --> 01:57:40,639
seen other things too that i can't

3067
01:57:44,790 --> 01:57:43,440
exactly explain or um just kind of

3068
01:57:46,070 --> 01:57:44,800
dealing with like the

3069
01:57:47,350 --> 01:57:46,080
the paradigm

3070
01:57:49,030 --> 01:57:47,360
shift of

3071
01:57:50,390 --> 01:57:49,040
i thought this was one thing maybe it

3072
01:57:51,189 --> 01:57:50,400
was something else

3073
01:57:53,510 --> 01:57:51,199
and

3074
01:57:55,510 --> 01:57:53,520
maybe it's all of it at the same time

3075
01:57:56,870 --> 01:57:55,520
so it's kind of like a mind-blowing to

3076
01:57:59,030 --> 01:57:56,880
hear other people

3077
01:58:02,709 --> 01:57:59,040
uh talk about it honestly

3078
01:58:05,189 --> 01:58:02,719
because so i'm just taking it all in

3079
01:58:07,350 --> 01:58:05,199
you know it's really interesting because

3080
01:58:11,109 --> 01:58:07,360
um

3081
01:58:13,669 --> 01:58:11,119
a lot of children will call these beings

3082
01:58:14,950 --> 01:58:13,679
they see spiders

3083
01:58:17,990 --> 01:58:14,960
okay

3084
01:58:21,350 --> 01:58:18,000
but but they're actually mantids that

3085
01:58:22,550 --> 01:58:21,360
they're seeing but see they don't know

3086
01:58:29,430 --> 01:58:22,560
the word for

3087
01:58:30,790 --> 01:58:29,440
yeah and so but you correlate that to

3088
01:58:32,149 --> 01:58:30,800
everything

3089
01:58:33,750 --> 01:58:32,159
going back

3090
01:58:34,550 --> 01:58:33,760
millennia

3091
01:58:39,990 --> 01:58:34,560
in

3092
01:58:43,030 --> 01:58:40,000
is that people don't use the same

3093
01:58:46,149 --> 01:58:43,040
descriptions for what they see

3094
01:58:49,030 --> 01:58:46,159
part of that is based on their knowledge

3095
01:58:50,149 --> 01:58:49,040
or their culture or their age

3096
01:58:53,510 --> 01:58:50,159
and so

3097
01:58:55,430 --> 01:58:53,520
when we look at this whole thing

3098
01:58:57,669 --> 01:58:55,440
you know it's like somebody said one

3099
01:59:00,070 --> 01:58:57,679
time well how come they weren't seeing

3100
01:59:02,229 --> 01:59:00,080
tic tacs back in the 40s i said well

3101
01:59:04,870 --> 01:59:02,239
because there were no tic tacs back in

3102
01:59:06,310 --> 01:59:04,880
the 40s they were calling them cigars

3103
01:59:08,149 --> 01:59:06,320
they were calling them

3104
01:59:11,030 --> 01:59:08,159
you know cylinders

3105
01:59:12,149 --> 01:59:11,040
you know and so i'm glad you said that

3106
01:59:15,669 --> 01:59:12,159
yeah so

3107
01:59:16,709 --> 01:59:15,679
you know we have to open our minds to

3108
01:59:18,390 --> 01:59:16,719
you know

3109
01:59:21,669 --> 01:59:18,400
a lot of times it's

3110
01:59:23,430 --> 01:59:21,679
people don't set things in the time

3111
01:59:24,790 --> 01:59:23,440
period cultural

3112
01:59:28,149 --> 01:59:24,800
aspect

3113
01:59:31,109 --> 01:59:28,159
and you know and so a lot of this

3114
01:59:33,589 --> 01:59:31,119
we do have to have an open mind

3115
01:59:34,790 --> 01:59:33,599
when we are talking about it or

3116
01:59:39,430 --> 01:59:34,800
listening

3117
01:59:42,950 --> 01:59:41,189
i think that's that's great because i've

3118
01:59:45,189 --> 01:59:42,960
thought of that so many times um but

3119
01:59:46,149 --> 01:59:45,199
like where are the flying saucers why is

3120
01:59:49,109 --> 01:59:46,159
nobody

3121
01:59:50,950 --> 01:59:49,119
reported flying discs anymore

3122
01:59:53,270 --> 01:59:50,960
um in in all the pictures that you see

3123
01:59:55,669 --> 01:59:53,280
of flying discs like if one showed up

3124
01:59:57,510 --> 01:59:55,679
now it would look like a 56 chevy really

3125
01:59:59,910 --> 01:59:57,520
it would seem like that you know it

3126
02:00:01,910 --> 01:59:59,920
wouldn't seem like futuristic but maybe

3127
02:00:03,910 --> 02:00:01,920
that's not because what it actually is

3128
02:00:05,910 --> 02:00:03,920
that's it was just the descriptor used

3129
02:00:07,430 --> 02:00:05,920
and the scriptures changed to something

3130
02:00:09,030 --> 02:00:07,440
else now

3131
02:00:10,390 --> 02:00:09,040
yeah i think that's great

3132
02:00:12,470 --> 02:00:10,400
even going back to like the ancient

3133
02:00:14,470 --> 02:00:12,480
artwork that we're finding of these um

3134
02:00:17,589 --> 02:00:14,480
giant insects and

3135
02:00:18,870 --> 02:00:17,599
yeah i remember seeing a spider smiling

3136
02:00:20,470 --> 02:00:18,880
at me when i was little one time but

3137
02:00:22,229 --> 02:00:20,480
that makes sense because it wasn't

3138
02:00:24,390 --> 02:00:22,239
exactly a spider it was like a weird

3139
02:00:25,990 --> 02:00:24,400
looking like bug thing but that's kind

3140
02:00:28,149 --> 02:00:26,000
of funny um and i don't think it was

3141
02:00:30,310 --> 02:00:28,159
smile i think that like the telepathy of

3142
02:00:31,109 --> 02:00:30,320
it putting energy out um was telling me

3143
02:00:32,790 --> 02:00:31,119
it was

3144
02:00:34,709 --> 02:00:32,800
maybe like a in peace or it made me feel

3145
02:00:35,910 --> 02:00:34,719
happy because the mantids are i feel

3146
02:00:37,830 --> 02:00:35,920
like there's two stories with like the

3147
02:00:38,950 --> 02:00:37,840
mantis beings some people say that

3148
02:00:40,629 --> 02:00:38,960
they're kind of like overwatching

3149
02:00:42,229 --> 02:00:40,639
they're kind of like leering and mean

3150
02:00:43,750 --> 02:00:42,239
and then some people say that they they

3151
02:00:46,149 --> 02:00:43,760
impart great wisdom and they bring all

3152
02:00:47,510 --> 02:00:46,159
this comfort to the situation so

3153
02:00:49,270 --> 02:00:47,520
it's interesting that you bring that up

3154
02:00:50,790 --> 02:00:49,280
because we don't think about um what

3155
02:00:53,510 --> 02:00:50,800
even like our children are saying that

3156
02:00:55,510 --> 02:00:53,520
might be they might be seeing um

3157
02:00:56,950 --> 02:00:55,520
and like sean said like sometimes people

3158
02:00:58,070 --> 02:00:56,960
have these experiences and involves

3159
02:00:59,669 --> 02:00:58,080
other people

3160
02:01:01,830 --> 02:00:59,679
and that's why like you might be having

3161
02:01:03,830 --> 02:01:01,840
an experience and you see somebody that

3162
02:01:05,830 --> 02:01:03,840
you know there as well in the same

3163
02:01:08,070 --> 02:01:05,840
experience and

3164
02:01:09,830 --> 02:01:08,080
you have to how would they explain what

3165
02:01:11,189 --> 02:01:09,840
you're seeing it's just like so many

3166
02:01:13,270 --> 02:01:11,199
people see a crime committed and they

3167
02:01:16,070 --> 02:01:13,280
all explain it differently but it's all

3168
02:01:17,350 --> 02:01:16,080
like the same crime

3169
02:01:20,629 --> 02:01:17,360
right

3170
02:01:22,550 --> 02:01:20,639
yeah absolutely yeah i i when i was

3171
02:01:24,790 --> 02:01:22,560
when i was younger i used to refer to

3172
02:01:26,709 --> 02:01:24,800
them as the grasshoppers the mantids

3173
02:01:28,470 --> 02:01:26,719
because i grew up in the midwest and we

3174
02:01:31,109 --> 02:01:28,480
didn't really have pragmatises out there

3175
02:01:33,189 --> 02:01:31,119
but we had a ton of grasshoppers right

3176
02:01:35,030 --> 02:01:33,199
and so you know it's important these

3177
02:01:37,430 --> 02:01:35,040
these cultural reference and and

3178
02:01:39,669 --> 02:01:37,440
thinking about how they they can

3179
02:01:42,310 --> 02:01:39,679
and then there's it's not just like what

3180
02:01:44,790 --> 02:01:42,320
what's the language that we know right

3181
02:01:46,550 --> 02:01:44,800
it's also the language that

3182
02:01:48,709 --> 02:01:46,560
they know we know

3183
02:01:50,709 --> 02:01:48,719
right because there does seem to be an

3184
02:01:52,950 --> 02:01:50,719
element of translation that seems to be

3185
02:01:55,350 --> 02:01:52,960
happening sometimes not just in terms of

3186
02:01:57,430 --> 02:01:55,360
the language that they use when they're

3187
02:02:00,470 --> 02:01:57,440
when they're speaking how is it possible

3188
02:02:02,709 --> 02:02:00,480
you know we we just gloss over the part

3189
02:02:04,149 --> 02:02:02,719
where it's like oh telepathy so it makes

3190
02:02:06,310 --> 02:02:04,159
sense that they we understand each other

3191
02:02:08,310 --> 02:02:06,320
but how are they able to speak german

3192
02:02:09,990 --> 02:02:08,320
german to german experiencers how are

3193
02:02:12,629 --> 02:02:10,000
they able to speak japanese japanese

3194
02:02:15,030 --> 02:02:12,639
experiences and not just that but if

3195
02:02:17,510 --> 02:02:15,040
they'll use cultural reference that are

3196
02:02:19,910 --> 02:02:17,520
that are significant to say

3197
02:02:21,669 --> 02:02:19,920
and speak differently to to an artist

3198
02:02:23,109 --> 02:02:21,679
than they might to a chemical engineer

3199
02:02:25,189 --> 02:02:23,119
or something like that and there seems

3200
02:02:26,310 --> 02:02:25,199
to be an understanding or being able to

3201
02:02:28,709 --> 02:02:26,320
apprehend

3202
02:02:30,390 --> 02:02:28,719
the not the the language base

3203
02:02:32,790 --> 02:02:30,400
right with which somebody's looking at

3204
02:02:34,390 --> 02:02:32,800
so then you start to think about these

3205
02:02:35,910 --> 02:02:34,400
things like the cigars and the flying

3206
02:02:36,709 --> 02:02:35,920
saucers and stuff like that and you

3207
02:02:39,189 --> 02:02:36,719
think

3208
02:02:41,109 --> 02:02:39,199
maybe there still is even in the visual

3209
02:02:42,950 --> 02:02:41,119
like of course with screen memories and

3210
02:02:45,510 --> 02:02:42,960
stuff like that an element of cultural

3211
02:02:47,589 --> 02:02:45,520
translation that's happening so

3212
02:02:50,470 --> 02:02:47,599
example back in the old airship cases

3213
02:02:53,030 --> 02:02:50,480
right that valet reported on in the back

3214
02:02:55,030 --> 02:02:53,040
of passport to magonia and otherwise um

3215
02:02:57,910 --> 02:02:55,040
people there were the first kind of case

3216
02:02:59,750 --> 02:02:57,920
reports of cows being taken right and

3217
02:03:02,229 --> 02:02:59,760
they and some of the early reports were

3218
02:03:04,709 --> 02:03:02,239
like oh they they threw down ropes and

3219
02:03:05,750 --> 02:03:04,719
they grabbed them up with ropes right

3220
02:03:07,270 --> 02:03:05,760
now

3221
02:03:09,510 --> 02:03:07,280
we can

3222
02:03:12,229 --> 02:03:09,520
you know no matter where we are in 2021

3223
02:03:14,310 --> 02:03:12,239
we can be relatively sure that that

3224
02:03:15,270 --> 02:03:14,320
might not have been exactly literally

3225
02:03:18,070 --> 02:03:15,280
true

3226
02:03:20,149 --> 02:03:18,080
but it but we can look at it from all

3227
02:03:22,550 --> 02:03:20,159
from all of those perspectives maybe the

3228
02:03:24,709 --> 02:03:22,560
person reporting it would be like if i

3229
02:03:26,550 --> 02:03:24,719
say that it's it that took the cow on a

3230
02:03:27,669 --> 02:03:26,560
beam of light i'm gonna look even more

3231
02:03:28,550 --> 02:03:27,679
crazy

3232
02:03:30,870 --> 02:03:28,560
right

3233
02:03:33,030 --> 02:03:30,880
all the way over to to those beings

3234
02:03:35,510 --> 02:03:33,040
being like if we don't show them the

3235
02:03:37,510 --> 02:03:35,520
ropes they're going to go insane

3236
02:03:39,350 --> 02:03:37,520
right and that's kind of john keels

3237
02:03:41,350 --> 02:03:39,360
operation trojan horse where he thinks

3238
02:03:43,669 --> 02:03:41,360
he's you know these things are trickers

3239
02:03:45,830 --> 02:03:43,679
and tricksters and sometimes even

3240
02:03:49,030 --> 02:03:45,840
purposely leaving behind

3241
02:03:49,830 --> 02:03:49,040
human materials that we would understand

3242
02:03:52,870 --> 02:03:49,840
to

3243
02:03:53,910 --> 02:03:52,880
um put us you know off the right path

3244
02:03:55,910 --> 02:03:53,920
basically

3245
02:03:58,629 --> 02:03:55,920
he talked a lot about those airships too

3246
02:04:01,030 --> 02:03:58,639
and and how often times there'd be huge

3247
02:04:02,950 --> 02:04:01,040
anchors left

3248
02:04:04,629 --> 02:04:02,960
you know one that it was even attached

3249
02:04:07,270 --> 02:04:04,639
to a church or something

3250
02:04:09,510 --> 02:04:07,280
um it's like yeah and but then there's

3251
02:04:11,430 --> 02:04:09,520
always like there's notes too that are

3252
02:04:14,470 --> 02:04:11,440
left where you know i come from this

3253
02:04:16,069 --> 02:04:14,480
place or that place yeah and you know

3254
02:04:17,510 --> 02:04:16,079
yeah it's it's interesting in my

3255
02:04:19,189 --> 02:04:17,520
experience personally like one of my

3256
02:04:20,310 --> 02:04:19,199
dream experiences

3257
02:04:22,629 --> 02:04:20,320
um

3258
02:04:24,629 --> 02:04:22,639
fits with what you said jay perfectly

3259
02:04:25,830 --> 02:04:24,639
like a cultural thing

3260
02:04:28,390 --> 02:04:25,840
um

3261
02:04:30,950 --> 02:04:28,400
because there is no other way i would

3262
02:04:32,550 --> 02:04:30,960
have taken that dream

3263
02:04:33,430 --> 02:04:32,560
uh well

3264
02:04:35,990 --> 02:04:33,440
or

3265
02:04:38,470 --> 02:04:36,000
maybe even survived the surrealness of

3266
02:04:40,310 --> 02:04:38,480
it if it didn't show itself to me the

3267
02:04:41,350 --> 02:04:40,320
way it that it did

3268
02:04:45,510 --> 02:04:41,360
you know

3269
02:04:47,910 --> 02:04:45,520
think there's something to say there

3270
02:04:50,629 --> 02:04:47,920
for sure

3271
02:04:52,629 --> 02:04:50,639
yep i i know a gentleman that um he does

3272
02:04:55,669 --> 02:04:52,639
the meditation to um

3273
02:04:56,470 --> 02:04:55,679
to call them and he's a guitarist and he

3274
02:05:00,470 --> 02:04:56,480
has

3275
02:05:02,390 --> 02:05:00,480
too but he um

3276
02:05:04,229 --> 02:05:02,400
he plays guitar and he gets into his

3277
02:05:05,109 --> 02:05:04,239
flow state and

3278
02:05:06,629 --> 02:05:05,119
that's

3279
02:05:08,310 --> 02:05:06,639
that might like he's like uh they speak

3280
02:05:09,830 --> 02:05:08,320
to you a certain way due to your what's

3281
02:05:11,030 --> 02:05:09,840
culturally normal for you to make you

3282
02:05:13,990 --> 02:05:11,040
accept it

3283
02:05:15,189 --> 02:05:14,000
um mine have it's just um sometimes a

3284
02:05:17,750 --> 02:05:15,199
lot of times might have turned into

3285
02:05:19,910 --> 02:05:17,760
children um since i've been a mom more

3286
02:05:21,109 --> 02:05:19,920
often but it's a kind of insane that

3287
02:05:23,510 --> 02:05:21,119
they will show you something that you're

3288
02:05:25,430 --> 02:05:23,520
comfortable with it's like they know

3289
02:05:26,870 --> 02:05:25,440
um because they'll feel that you're a

3290
02:05:28,709 --> 02:05:26,880
little startled and they're like oh just

3291
02:05:30,629 --> 02:05:28,719
kidding i'm a cat like

3292
02:05:32,069 --> 02:05:30,639
really

3293
02:05:33,350 --> 02:05:32,079
or something you're comfortable with

3294
02:05:35,189 --> 02:05:33,360
like you said you're not to accept it

3295
02:05:38,790 --> 02:05:35,199
any other way because it would be too

3296
02:05:40,229 --> 02:05:38,800
much at once for us to kind of take in

3297
02:05:41,990 --> 02:05:40,239
and some like you said they leave things

3298
02:05:43,270 --> 02:05:42,000
behind that's interesting and it's also

3299
02:05:44,870 --> 02:05:43,280
interesting that sometimes they leave

3300
02:05:46,629 --> 02:05:44,880
people outside

3301
02:05:47,750 --> 02:05:46,639
like you took them out of the bed why

3302
02:05:49,910 --> 02:05:47,760
did you leave them outside do you want

3303
02:05:51,669 --> 02:05:49,920
them to know that it was a legitimate

3304
02:05:54,310 --> 02:05:51,679
experience do you want them to know they

3305
02:05:56,390 --> 02:05:54,320
were taken um there's even been people

3306
02:05:58,149 --> 02:05:56,400
that have dreamt of the exact spot they

3307
02:05:59,589 --> 02:05:58,159
wake up in and then a week later they

3308
02:06:01,189 --> 02:05:59,599
have this uh

3309
02:06:03,189 --> 02:06:01,199
this encounter

3310
02:06:04,709 --> 02:06:03,199
in the lucid state of dreaming or at

3311
02:06:06,229 --> 02:06:04,719
night time and then they're like they've

3312
02:06:07,109 --> 02:06:06,239
seen the spot that they're going to end

3313
02:06:08,550 --> 02:06:07,119
up in

3314
02:06:10,229 --> 02:06:08,560
they've seen the scene before even

3315
02:06:12,310 --> 02:06:10,239
sometimes had like a vision or a dream

3316
02:06:13,350 --> 02:06:12,320
of it and then it happens like how do

3317
02:06:15,109 --> 02:06:13,360
you

3318
02:06:17,350 --> 02:06:15,119
there's no way to explain that and also

3319
02:06:19,430 --> 02:06:17,360
how do people tell somebody that because

3320
02:06:21,669 --> 02:06:19,440
that's just you know outside of this

3321
02:06:23,510 --> 02:06:21,679
circle it's not exactly something you're

3322
02:06:25,109 --> 02:06:23,520
going to tell another parent on the

3323
02:06:26,870 --> 02:06:25,119
playground or like hey honey guess what

3324
02:06:28,229 --> 02:06:26,880
happened last night you were paralyzed

3325
02:06:29,830 --> 02:06:28,239
and so was i and they took me through

3326
02:06:31,750 --> 02:06:29,840
the window but you don't remember and i

3327
02:06:33,109 --> 02:06:31,760
barely remember cool

3328
02:06:35,589 --> 02:06:33,119
yeah

3329
02:06:38,310 --> 02:06:35,599
don't worry only one of us got probed

3330
02:06:45,109 --> 02:06:41,830
yeah uh well we are over the two hour

3331
02:06:46,870 --> 02:06:45,119
mark and i am starving yeah i want to

3332
02:06:49,030 --> 02:06:46,880
eat some dinner

3333
02:06:51,350 --> 02:06:49,040
um so now would be a good time to leave

3334
02:06:54,229 --> 02:06:51,360
but i'll definitely offer the

3335
02:06:56,950 --> 02:06:54,239
opportunity to anybody that wants to add

3336
02:06:59,669 --> 02:06:56,960
anything to that or or you know say

3337
02:07:02,470 --> 02:06:59,679
anything else for that matter so

3338
02:07:05,030 --> 02:07:02,480
thank you sean for asking us someone

3339
02:07:07,189 --> 02:07:05,040
it's good to see everybody

3340
02:07:08,069 --> 02:07:07,199
thank you same thing thank you um i

3341
02:07:10,830 --> 02:07:08,079
didn't

3342
02:07:14,310 --> 02:07:10,840
i'm i'm just kind of like

3343
02:07:15,430 --> 02:07:14,320
um talking about things openly more so

3344
02:07:17,189 --> 02:07:15,440
it's very

3345
02:07:19,510 --> 02:07:17,199
refreshing to meet people that are

3346
02:07:21,669 --> 02:07:19,520
making me feel not crazy so thank you

3347
02:07:24,149 --> 02:07:21,679
for making me feel a little bit more uh

3348
02:07:26,390 --> 02:07:24,159
sane i guess yeah well hey i need you

3349
02:07:28,149 --> 02:07:26,400
for that too so for myself

3350
02:07:30,069 --> 02:07:28,159
so yeah

3351
02:07:31,589 --> 02:07:30,079
thank you priscilla and for myself i

3352
02:07:34,470 --> 02:07:31,599
just want to say thank you sean thank

3353
02:07:37,510 --> 02:07:34,480
you priscilla linda and to

3354
02:07:39,109 --> 02:07:37,520
dr ezbjorn hargens for for tonight sean

3355
02:07:40,790 --> 02:07:39,119
it's always great to be here priscilla

3356
02:07:42,870 --> 02:07:40,800
is wonderful to meet you tonight and

3357
02:07:44,629 --> 02:07:42,880
linda it's always a pleasure i i see you

3358
02:07:46,629 --> 02:07:44,639
pretty regularly and it's always nice to

3359
02:07:48,550 --> 02:07:46,639
see you it's great too it's great to do

3360
02:07:49,750 --> 02:07:48,560
that within this format i feel like this

3361
02:07:51,350 --> 02:07:49,760
has been like a really productive

3362
02:07:53,189 --> 02:07:51,360
conversation and

3363
02:07:54,550 --> 02:07:53,199
you know and it's and it and it keeps

3364
02:07:56,390 --> 02:07:54,560
going like every time that we have a

3365
02:07:58,709 --> 02:07:56,400
conversation like this it grows and it

3366
02:07:59,750 --> 02:07:58,719
gets deeper and people start to pull

3367
02:08:04,310 --> 02:07:59,760
more together

3368
02:08:06,069 --> 02:08:04,320
an important part of of what you were

3369
02:08:07,589 --> 02:08:06,079
talking about when you're setting this

3370
02:08:08,390 --> 02:08:07,599
up you're like how do we do this as a

3371
02:08:11,189 --> 02:08:08,400
community

3372
02:08:12,870 --> 02:08:11,199
and i think in part part of the answer

3373
02:08:14,229 --> 02:08:12,880
is is just what we're doing here right

3374
02:08:15,669 --> 02:08:14,239
now

3375
02:08:18,310 --> 02:08:15,679
absolutely

3376
02:08:21,430 --> 02:08:18,320
well i appreciate you for taking the

3377
02:08:24,629 --> 02:08:21,440
chance and doing this um because it is

3378
02:08:28,709 --> 02:08:24,639
not you know it is a sensitive topic and

3379
02:08:31,990 --> 02:08:28,719
to um hold a discussion like this isn't

3380
02:08:33,510 --> 02:08:32,000
um for some people is terrifying or you

3381
02:08:34,870 --> 02:08:33,520
know um

3382
02:08:36,950 --> 02:08:34,880
don't want to say the wrong thing or

3383
02:08:38,950 --> 02:08:36,960
mention the wrong thing or whatever

3384
02:08:40,390 --> 02:08:38,960
and people have different views that

3385
02:08:42,550 --> 02:08:40,400
they're committed to how's that going to

3386
02:08:44,149 --> 02:08:42,560
work or whatever

3387
02:08:46,310 --> 02:08:44,159
and

3388
02:08:48,629 --> 02:08:46,320
you know

3389
02:08:50,629 --> 02:08:48,639
and i don't have the answers but i know

3390
02:08:52,629 --> 02:08:50,639
that i have compassion and i have a good

3391
02:08:53,430 --> 02:08:52,639
eye for people

3392
02:08:54,950 --> 02:08:53,440
and

3393
02:08:57,910 --> 02:08:54,960
um i

3394
02:08:59,189 --> 02:08:57,920
you know i highly respect all of you um

3395
02:09:00,870 --> 02:08:59,199
and so

3396
02:09:02,470 --> 02:09:00,880
you bring those people together the

3397
02:09:04,709 --> 02:09:02,480
right people together and i think good

3398
02:09:06,950 --> 02:09:04,719
things can happen so i'm so grateful

3399
02:09:09,669 --> 02:09:06,960
that you came and this

3400
02:09:11,430 --> 02:09:09,679
hopefully you know um i don't want this

3401
02:09:13,589 --> 02:09:11,440
to be a one and done thing i want to

3402
02:09:16,229 --> 02:09:13,599
grow upon it as well so

3403
02:09:17,270 --> 02:09:16,239
uh we'll do it more down the road for

3404
02:09:18,390 --> 02:09:17,280
sure

3405
02:09:20,950 --> 02:09:18,400
thank you

3406
02:09:22,870 --> 02:09:20,960
all right y'all

3407
02:09:24,470 --> 02:09:22,880
have a good night sleep tight have a

3408
02:09:25,750 --> 02:09:24,480
great time

3409
02:09:29,350 --> 02:09:25,760
everyone

3410
02:09:35,189 --> 02:09:31,990
all right so thanks y'all for hanging in

3411
02:09:37,910 --> 02:09:35,199
there uh we had two hours of

3412
02:09:40,229 --> 02:09:37,920
good talking and discussion

3413
02:09:42,550 --> 02:09:40,239
and i'm so appreciative for everybody

3414
02:09:44,550 --> 02:09:42,560
that hung in there and stuck around i

3415
02:09:47,430 --> 02:09:44,560
hope you took something from it

3416
02:09:48,629 --> 02:09:47,440
um for yourself whatever that means

3417
02:09:51,109 --> 02:09:48,639
um

3418
02:09:51,480 --> 02:09:51,119
the only thing i can say is

3419
02:09:52,790 --> 02:09:51,490
um

3420
02:09:54,709 --> 02:09:52,800
[Music]

3421
02:09:56,390 --> 02:09:54,719
you know just try to be your best self

3422
02:09:58,550 --> 02:09:56,400
that's all you can do

3423
02:10:00,870 --> 02:09:58,560
and um i think good things will come

3424
02:10:04,550 --> 02:10:00,880
from that so with that being said

3425
02:10:05,430 --> 02:10:04,560
tomorrow is my first 6 p.m new time slot

3426
02:10:08,950 --> 02:10:05,440
show

3427
02:10:11,430 --> 02:10:08,960
with robert gofford and we will be doing

3428
02:10:13,430 --> 02:10:11,440
a deep dive on some very interesting

3429
02:10:15,910 --> 02:10:13,440
documents what do you know

3430
02:10:23,750 --> 02:10:15,920
um so can't wait to do that please join